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Re: Where do you look
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 19 October 11 06:31 BST (UK) »
Some thoughts

Rhetorical
If Robert purchased land in NZ in 1830, who was he purchasing it from, where was he located when he entered into that private arrangement and how was the land described....  I can well understand how his application would have failed.  I think Whitehall at one time recognised applications from mid or late 1835 .... or when ever the Declaration of Independence for NZ was ratified in that year. 

If Robert was in VDL at that time, perhaps he was with a regiment on garrison duties, and had shared conversations with some of those on the whaling vessels trading between the South Sea Islands and Hobart and Sydney etc.   

As his land claim of 1841 was disallowed by the Colonial authorities, had he been stepping outside his authority when he entered into that 1830 agreement to purchase land in NZ

New Zealand was administered by the Governor of NSW until William Hobson of the Royal Navy who was firstly appointed as Lt Governor (with guidance from NSW) and then appointed Governor in his own right .... I think he would be the same RN chap who served in VDL in the 1830s ....

Cheers,  JM

Case number 294 published in the NZ govt. gazette reads

Robert Field of Auckland Claimant, 250 acres more or less situated at Paroa Bay in the bay of Islands, bounded on the north by the sea, on NW by a creek called Putu Kokoa, on the SE by Wai Wakarawa, & on  south by Johnson's land.
Alleged to have been purchased by the present claimant in 1830 from Native Chief Monau, otherwise Charlie Korokoro for £10 and double barrelled gun. deed of gift.

The claim was not allowed.

We rather thought he was trying to curry favour with the Governer of NZ, The Sir George Gipps (Australia)

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The Sir George Gipps Hotel fronting High street and a corner pf Government lane. William Kendell (Kendells were in B of I too. I think they had something to do with appropriating Baron De Thierry's funds.) respectfully announces that he has opened the extensive two storied premises (recently built by Mr. Field)as an hotel and has laid in a stock of wines, spirits etc.
AK Herald & gazette 30 Nov. 1841.
William Kendell ran this hotel for a year and then Robert Field took ownership of it once again changing its name to The New Coffee House. Teetotallers were pretty active in these years.

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Re: Where do you look
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 19 October 11 08:16 BST (UK) »
Case number 294 published in the NZ govt gazette ......... .

We rather thought he was trying to curry favour with the Governer of NZ, The Sir George Gipps (Australia)

That case number you are quoting is the same case number that I noted at reply #17.  It is my understanding the file will be in New Zealand in one of their Archives Offices, and I expect the NZ Archives may have more information than just the notice in the gazette. There may even be documents signed by Robert Field so that you could examine the signature to compare with your current holdings.       

I do not know much about the Governors of NZ, but I do have some details about Sir George Gipps, Governor of the Colony of New South Wales 24 February 1838 to 11 July 1846.    Surely it was Captain William Hobson RN who was the  Lieutenant-Governor stationed in NZ when Case 294 was being dealt with.

I have asked for this thread to be moved to the New Zealand Board where I am sure that there will be willing helpers with much better understanding of the Admin system in that fine nation.

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Re: Where do you look
« Reply #38 on: Thursday 20 October 11 01:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Foehn,

What information do you need now? it may pay to make a brief summary of what is needed now the thread has been moved to the NZ board

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Re: Where do you look
« Reply #39 on: Thursday 20 October 11 02:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Foehn,

What information do you need now? it may pay to make a brief summary of what is needed now the thread has been moved to the NZ board

Cheers Janette

Thanks Janette. The main purpose of the thread was to prove or disprove the
1. That the Robert Field /Margaret Drummond marriage in Hobart, Tasmania 01 Feb 1836 were the parents of Toledo Frankfort Hamilton Field
2. That Robert Field was Irish.
3 To solve the parentage of Elizabeth Field who died in Auckland aged 4½ 1840s
4 Investigate the marriage of Emily Field and Iver McIver in connection with her father Robert
5 Check intention to marriage for Toledo Field and Emily Field
6 check correspondence in connection to Robert Field's land claims.

Think that's mostly it, with the new possible leads discovered.


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Re: Where do you look
« Reply #40 on: Thursday 20 October 11 03:35 BST (UK) »

I have never been brave enough to visit this part of the city mainly due to street kids and vagrants living under the nearby Grafton Bridge.  One day I will if I can go with a group.

I think there was an idea a while back, of a group of Auckland Chatters going in a group to have a look at graves.   Can you remember Janette?

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Re: Where do you look
« Reply #41 on: Thursday 20 October 11 04:07 BST (UK) »
I think it was an idea that never got off the ground,maybe we could think about it again


Cheers Janette

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Re: Where do you look
« Reply #42 on: Thursday 20 October 11 04:23 BST (UK) »
Toledo F Wilson
Marriage Place West Australia
Reg Place Gascoyne West Australia
Reg Year 1921
Reg Number 2

just in case it fits anywhere


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      "        "      stenson
        "       "    nicholson
       "     "        jarvis
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« Reply #43 on: Sunday 27 November 11 18:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Foehn,

I see from your post above that you were seeking the Intention to Marry Notice for Toledo FIELD and Emily FIELD.

If you still want a transcription of this record I can look for it if you can provide a date and location of the marriage.

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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL

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Re: Where do you look
« Reply #44 on: Monday 28 November 11 11:49 GMT (UK) »

Just cruising thru' this puzzle - and I feel you may have made an assumption about Robert Field's death entry:
 
Place of registration: Auckland Name and surname:Robert Field Profession or Occupation: Cabinet maker. Sex, age, DOB:  M 76 Numbers, 1-19 not registered If issue living state ages of each sex: M F When died: 25 September 1863 Where died: Private Hospital
Cause of death: General debility.

In 1863 the 'ages and sex of living issue' was not recorded on death entries - there was simply no provision for it in the death register.
I think it's just a 'happy accident' that this family appears to have only two children alive in 1863 and that this 'appears' to match the death entry. If the family had been larger you would have wondered where the rest of the children were.
What you also have is one of the drawbacks of using modern information fields for older records - in the 'olden days' (only a few years ago!) you would have received a photocopy of the register entry. Although the writing could be difficult to decipher there was no doubt about the quantity of info you received.

'Ages and sex of living issue' didn't show until 1875 when the information recorded on death entries was considerably extended. After that date the entry would normally show info along the lines of: M 22 15  F 20. People would guess if they didn't know the exact age - and still do!!

Have a look at the BDM website under 'Data Collected' - 'Deaths' for a listing of the info fields recorded at various times.
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Elli