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[wivenhoe]

The obituary is a great document and very informative.

About the death certificate...is Toledo identifying father Robert's living issue as one son and one daughter....being Toledo, a daughter...and no mention of William.

Did Robert Field leave a will?

[Foehn]

Have you actually sighted this article about Toledo, 1922?

See jpeg below. It is a faithful copy. I do have a photostat of the actual article but it has blackened over time and would not scan well anymore.

"...His father though recorded as Henry Frankfort on Toledo's DC is also named as the late  Robert Field, in the obituary published Auckland Star 5 June 1922. This also mentions a surviving brother William Field who was well documented as an insurance fireman (known as Captain) William was a half brother however and when he died he was buried as William Mcguire. In the article, it says that Toledo's indentures as a printer to Williamson and William Chisholm Wilson, were signed by both printers, Toledo and his father.

It might be quite informative if it mentions the names of people involved in his indenture.

If you have identified a half-brother then that should give you two more points of reference for Toledo's origins - second marriage for parent, and birth certificate for William.  Do you have these certificates?

Captain William Augustus Maguire, called himself Field all his life, as I think Margaret Field left Robert for William Mcguire's father. She was buried as Margaret Field, so it seems that she and McGuire snr never married. I have looked at all these certificates, have William A Mcguire on them and no mention of the Field side apart from his mother and of her, no other details pertaining to birth.

The marriage certificate that you have...is it an image of a handwritten original, or a typed transcript please?

It is a handwritten marriage certificate

The NZ BDM index has his name at marriage as Tolade. It might be an error on a transcription.

Looking at the hand writing I can see how they made an error. Both the e and o look quite similar

Who are the witnesses on the marriage certificate.

Witnesses were John Lyle and Elizabeth Scarlet

What is the earliest record that you have of Toledo....apart from what you are finding after his marriage in 1876?

Apart from early police census' when he is only mentioned a a male 7-15 years in 1845, he appears as himself in electoral rolls from 1855 to 1862 as living in Thompson's lane and then Albert street in 1863 onwards. He disappears from the Auckland rolls in 1868 and I think that was when he went to Christchurch.

Continued from new post. Yes that would be correct just one son and one daughter. Toledo's mother though has two sons and one daughter on her death certificate. No ages given. Pretty sure his sister died at 4˝ however as no other record found of her. While it is a guess as to her name, I am confident it was Elizabeth, due to Toledo's daughter being called Margaret Elizabeth.


We found no wills, but we did unearth a swag of land sales after Robert cut up the allotment he had into small holdings. Field's Lane in Downtown Auckland is his monument.

[Foehn]

Hi there,

Have you checked the files that are indexed at Archways for Toledo Field and for his Dad ?

Particularly :
there's one for Toledo and the Auckland Rifles ... I am thinking of a likely date and place of birth on enlistment  and there's two for correspondence from a Robert Field in 1841 (Schedule A - letter dated 23 March 1841 to Colonial Secretary, New South Wales (registered file Colonial Secretary 41/4442; writer - Robert Field, respecting claim to land at New Zealand - Case 294) . Perhaps noting the name of the arriving ship, and also his native place. 

Cheers,  JM

What is Archways? I haven't heard of that.

I have two instances of claims published in the NZ Government gazzette in respect of Robert Field's land claims in the Bay of Islands. The claims were lodged in 1841 in respect of land purchased in 1830. He paid 10 pound an a double barrel shotgun for 250 acres on the other side of the isthmus that Korarareka (Now called Russell) stands

[majm]

Archways, sorry I should have written Archway.

http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/

"Welcome to Archway, Archives New Zealand’s system for documenting government records in the context of their creation and use.

Archway contains descriptions of over 1.5 million records that have been transferred from government agencies to our four offices in Auckland, Christchurch, Dunedin and Wellington. This will increase over time as additional records are added to the system."

Cheers,  JM

[Foehn]

Archway. Those three last files are likely to be his first son who also had the same name except for the small variation in Frankfort=furt. He died in 1928. Only the mounted rifles are likely. he was a reservist for WW1

[majm]

Some of the CHCH files are not currently available due to the recovery after the Earthquakes, but I think you can organise for access if you ask ...  There are good RChatters on the NZ board who will know the NZ system far better than me.   Are you NZ based?

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

I have two instances of claims published in the NZ Government gazzette in respect of Robert Field's land claims in the Bay of Islands. The claims were lodged in 1841 in respect of land purchased in 1830. He paid 10 pound an a double barrel shotgun for 250 acres on the other side of the isthmus that Korarareka (Now called Russell) stands

I wonder if the Gazette had a typo in it...  1830 .... could that be 1839 ..... Reason : A  NSW Survey Party was in NZ and they were still measuring etc in 1839, whereas in 1830 the NSW Survey Office was re-organising and seeking further funding from Whitehall in London to continue to operate and to catch up on existing demands for releases of land in NSW and to send out survey parties in the NSW counties to satisfy the demand for land.

Cheers,  JM

[Foehn]

Some of the CHCH files are not currently available due to the recovery after the Earthquakes, but I think you can organise for access if you ask ...  There are good RChatters on the NZ board who will know the NZ system far better than me.   Are you NZ based?

Cheers,  JM

Yes.

[Foehn]

I have two instances of claims published in the NZ Government gazzette in respect of Robert Field's land claims in the Bay of Islands. The claims were lodged in 1841 in respect of land purchased in 1830. He paid 10 pound an a double barrel shotgun for 250 acres on the other side of the isthmus that Korarareka (Now called Russell) stands

I wonder if the Gazette had a typo in it...  1830 .... could that be 1839 ..... Reason : A  NSW Survey Party was in NZ and they were still measuring etc in 1839, whereas in 1830 the NSW Survey Office was re-organising and seeking further funding from Whitehall in London to continue to operate and to catch up on existing demands for releases of land in NSW and to send out survey parties in the NSW counties to satisfy the demand for land.

Cheers,  JM

I think it would still work at 1830. Robert alleged he bought it then, but lodged the claim in 1841. The Johnson claim which was on the south of Robert's claim was the only one allowed. Would be good to sight that letter.