George Jeans' family

[djpegg]

Just found something interesting. I found a mary Ann jeans in the 1841 census. This must be the mother, nee Hutchins.She was born in Middlesex.She was 20. Her marriage to George Jeans in 1837. She was a minor, now we know about 16-17 years old. The residence is again in central London so i suppose she is still a servant. One the census are Elizabeth Jeans , 55, who could be her mother-in-law and Frederick Jeans, 3, who is probably her eldest child. Neither George or Mary Ann were on the census at this address, I found a baptism o Frederick for 1838 in St martin-in-the-Fields with parents; Mary jeans and Ann jeans. Mistake? Where was George? Dead? I also found a baptism for Mary Ann Hutchins on 21 may, 1820 at Srt george in the East/ Tower Hamlets, wherever that is? Her parents were listed as Charles and Elizabeth Hutchin. The 1841 census info on george Jeans only showed Dorset and thare was no Mary Ann in the family. Looking better? Now we have to find out what happened to george Jeans and wherre was Mary Ann, the daughter, in 1841? Maybe back in Bucks with her maternal grandmother? David

[AMBLY]

Hi David

The 1838 Pallots Baptism appears to be that of an illigitimate child. And not well transcibed in the source you got it from. The card says:

JEANS, Frederick Chas Polhill
Mary Ann
(______)

ie: Mary Ann is the mother. 
(_____) is the unamed father.
Therefore, the mother is indicated as  JEANS, like the child,  and further inference that  she was unmarried.

There is also a note on the card, looks like it could be in the same hand as the main entry  "see over". Unfortunate  the "over" has not been included in the source's scans.

This child's birth reg. is on FreeBMD too, as Frederick Charles Pohilo JEANS.

Cheers
AMBLY

[djpegg]

Ambly. This is what I suspected. Mary Ann's maiden name was Hutchins. I don't understand why she used Jeans. I suspect someone in the household where she was a servant might be the father. If he was  "high up" in the house, he may have gotten George Jeans, a fellow worker to marry Mary Ann and use his surname. Stranger things have happened to young servant girls. She was under 18 at the wedding in 1837 so she was only a teen when she became pregnant with Frederick. I suspect Richard Maybank. The marriage of convenience to George Jeans  may explain why we lose track of him. Maybe they didn't stay together very long. May Ann was  born in 1839, just after Frederick. The surname of Jeans was used again. Maybe this one was his child. But why was the birth in Bucks and not London?  It looks like a regular soap opera.
By the way, do you know where in London is the parish of St George in the East in the borough of Tower Hamlets. This is where Mary Ann Hutchins was baptised  in 1820.
I still wonder what happened to ole George. And who is the Elizabeth Jeans on the 1841 census? She was 55 at the time. She couldn't be the mother but could be the mother-in-law. Should note, however, Mary Ann Hutchin's mother was called Elizabeth.

[Ruskie]

Are you sure that the Jeans family with son Frederick aren't the wrong family, and this Mary Ann Jeans is the unmarried daughter of the head of household, Elizabeth aged 55.

Are "your" Jeans family is still at large on the 1841 census? Are you missing the family in any other censuses, and if so which ones? There appear to be a couple of Jeans families through the censuses, both with similar names, and there is some confusion about which family is which. Have you written these all down to try to clarify? (that's how I usually try to sort out these confusing families  )

http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/StGeorgeInTheEast/index.html
(with links to maps)

[djpegg]

I suppose you are right Ruskie but these overlapping families makes it very hard. Maybe i should investigate the birth in Bucks a little more. David

[djpegg]

Ambly and Ruskie. I looked at the 1851 census in more detail and it showed that mary Ann Jeans was born in Gloster, Bucks. This was pointed out to me by a lady on the Bucks forum site. I think this is the clue. The family on this 1851 census seem to be the ones. George was born c1811 in Dorset, mary Ann Hutchings was born c1820 in Shoreditch, Middlesex. Mary Ann Jeans, the daughter, appeared on the 1851 census with her family. By 1861 she had left home and can be found working as a servant in London. In 1862 she married Francis Forester. Now I would like to find the parents of george and mary Ann Hutchings. I think the problems arose because of the different spellings of the jeans name. It was Franes in 1851 and Jeanes in 1861. Those enumerators sure wanted to keep you busy. I'd like to thank you both for sorting this thing out. David

[lizdb]

That was me

But i see Ruskie had already pointed that out in reply #13 on this thread as a possibility.

Dont take my word for it, I was only trying to make out the appalling writing and grammar (as pointed out by Ruskie on here)

We seem to have gone over the same ground on both threads, which is never a good idea as it does rather waste time and effort.  It is not usually a good idea to start a second thread about a topic.

[AMBLY]

But i see Ruskie had already pointed that out in reply #13 on this thread as a possibility.

And me  , Reply#11  - I knew there was something I forgot (I meant to put up a snip image of the place name as enumerated). Thanks Liz, I didn't realise a new topic was started!  Is there such or similar a placename as Gloster in Bucks? Just asking. All the other people were enumerated  County-Town - that's why I considers MaryA's enumeration might be written County (Gloster) -Birch(Town) It looked more like Birch to me at the time,  but I 100% agree, it's likley a messily written "Bucks"

David, I remain convinced that family I followed is the correct one - for all the reasons I stated earlier.  But again, the only way I can see to prove it - and to be absolutely assured you don't go chasing the wrong people - is to obtain a birth cert of Lydia (or one of those children) to see the mms.

Aside from that -  in  finding the parents of Mary Ann HUTCHINS and George JEANS - and with respect of Mary Ann, I would revisist the MAYBANK household of 1841 and start looking at that Samuel chap therein.

Cheers
AMBLY

[Neergydna]

I am descended from Thomas William Hutchin born 1827 and baptised 1830 who was the son of Charles and Elizabeth Hutchin who I believe is Mary Ann's brother. Just to let you know that Mary Ann also had an older brother Samuel who was baptised on 22 Mar 1818 at St George in the East. Andy