George Jeans' family

[djpegg]

Thanks all for spending time on this difficult problem. I am now beginning to think that there were more than one Mary Ann Jeans married to a George Jeans. For example, in the 1891 census, there is Mary A Edgar (Mary A Jeans) in a household in Staffordshire and a 78 yr old man called George Jeans is in the same household. There is also a Dorset family with a George Jeans and Mary Ann. The only hard facts are that a george Jeans must have married a Mary Ann Hutchings because they are together on their daughter, Mary Ann Jeans, birth certificate in 1840. The daughter was born in Bucks. George was also listed as the father on the certificate of the marriage between the daughter and Francis Forester in 1862 in St Pancras. The marriage between George jeans and Mary Ann Hutchins in 1837 in Marylebone seems like it is the right one, at least from the point of view of time and place. Still wonder why the mother went to Bucks for the birth 4 years later. It is easy to trace Mary Ann, the daughter, after the marriage. She was, as Mary Ann Forester, on all the censuses. Still don't know what happened to the parents or even where they were born. There was no hint on the 1837 marriage record (if it is theirs) since parents weren't listed, only the guardian. Maybe the parents had died. In Bucks? Once again thanks ambly and ruskie. David

[Ruskie]

Amazing work Ambly! 

[AMBLY]

Hi  Thank you Ruskie

My money's on that being the right family - everything fits, down to that family having all their children in London areas bar one, Mary -  who like  David's Mary (or at least the one he has the birth cert for) , is the right age, has the right father's name & occupation and is born in a seemingly 'odd' place.... Even the King Street connection...

Birch Gloster

Is there such a place, I wonder?  I wonder if the enumerator has written down what he thought was written on the Household Schedule, or what he though was said to him - and it is wrong.
Buckinghamshire = Birch Gloster 

If we could just find one little thing that links David's Mary to the family Lydia JEANES sprung from  ..birth ms, marriage witness, address at marriage, death address or informant  etc etc  etc.

I'd say it was worth getting Lydia's (or one of hir siblings')  birth cert, to see what  her mother ms was.

Cheers
AMBLY

[Ruskie]

Mary Ann Jean/es on 1851 census b Birch Gloster
B/C= Mary Ann Jeans b 1840 Steede Claydon Bucks

Looking at Ambly's evidence, they certainly appear to be one and the same.

Doubt has arisen solely due to different places of birth?

I tend to agree with Ambly that there was a mix up on the 1851 and the enumerator misheard Buckinghamshire as Birch Gloster - I can see how this may have happened if he was hard of hearing or the Jeanes mumbled Mary Ann's pob or he scrawled theplace name.

David, what place of birth does Mary Ann give in later censuses?

Also have you tried tracing any other girls by the name of Mary Ann Jeane/s born around the same time? (process of elimination  )

[Ruskie]

CENSUS 1851:  1 Streets Building, St George Hanover Sq, Westminster
HO107; /Piece: 1476 / Folio: 259 / Page: 23
Head: George JEANES 40, Labourer, b St Giles Dorsetshire
Wife: Mary A JEANES 30, Charwoman, b Shoreditch, Mdx
Son: George JEANES 12, Errand Boy, b St Georges Mdx
Dau: Mary Ann JEANES 11, Scholar, b Birch, Gloster
Dau: Louisa JEANES 10, Scholar, b St Georges Mdx
Dau: Sarah JEANES 7, Scholar, b St Georges Mdx
Son; James JEANES 4, At Home, b St Georges Mdx
Dau: Lavinia JEANES 2, At Home, b St Georges Mdx

Cheers
AMBLY

Writing on image isn't too good. George's surname is mistranscribed as "Franes" due to the first letter being scribbled over. I looked at the place of birth for Mary Ann - might it be Gloster Buck? (Though the Gloster may be something else  ). Mary Ann's 'Rank, Profession or Occupation' is given as "Shollar" - which I see as evidence of 'incompetance' or a rushed job by the enumerator. 

Added: David, was Mary Ann born in Steede Claydon or Steeple Claydon?

[djpegg]

Thanks Ambly. The birth certificate says place of birth is Steede Claydon but under the listing of residence it has Mary Ann Jeans of Steeple Claydon. The mother's name is also listed elsewhere as Mary Ann Jeans, formerly Hutchings. Steeple Claydon seems to be between Buckingham and Aylesbury. By the way, what do you make of the 1891 census listing for Mary A Edgar (Mary A Jeans) who is 47. It states this Mary Ann was born in Wombourne, Staffordshire. Also listed is George Jeans at 78 yrs? Who is this? This would put their birth dates at roughly 1844 and 1813, respectively. And then there is the Dorset family. David

[Ruskie]

Did Mary Ann Jeans marry Joseph Edgar?
If you look at the relationships on that 1891 census entry, George Jeans is father in law, so father of Mary Ann Edgar. You will also see some step children with the surname of Williams. Did Mary Ann have an earlier marriage to Mr Williams?
I have no explanation about their birth places - if it's the correct family, perhaps the enumerator simply dittoed the place of birth? 
I don't have much time now, but I'll try to do a bit more digging later.

I have just remembered Ambly's find of Mary Ann Jeans Marrying a Forester in 1862 ... perhaps the above 1891 census is a red herring. I would need to investigate further.

[Ruskie]

I see in 1861 Mary Ann Jeans is a servt, unmar, aged 21, born Middle Clayton Bucks, living in London.

[djpegg]

Thanks again, Ruskie and Ambly. I think one added element of confusion is that the mother and daughter have the same forename. There is no problem in the case of the daughter, Mary Ann Jeans. She was born on 5 Nov, 1839 in Steeple Claydon, Bucks. The certificate shows her father, George, was a carman. She then appears on the 1861 as a servant in London. In 1862 she married Francis Forester and appeared on the later censuses as Mary Ann Forrester. The problem is finding out more about the father, George jeans, and the mother Mary Ann Jeans (nee Hutchings). Probably the most reliable piece of information about them is the London Marriage and banns, 1754-1921 record. The marriage took place in Marylebone in 1837. It doesn't give the ages of George and Mary Ann but does mention she is a minor. The parents aren't present. If we assume they were roughly 21 and 17, respectively, there birth dates would be c1816 (William) and c1820(Mary Ann). After this it gets very fuzzy, as you both know. The combination of George and Mary Ann keep popping up in different places on the censuses. The ages are about right but the birth places vary (possible errors by enumerator?). Maybe george was born in Dorset and Mary Ann Hutchin(g)s in Staffordshire? Any further thoughts would be greatly appreciated. David