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George Jeans' family
« on: Friday 14 October 11 22:39 BST (UK) »
I have encountered a problem, or maybe a mystery. I have copies of the birth certificate of Mary Ann Jeans who has born in 1840 in Steede Claydon in Bucks. Her father is listed as George Jeans and her mother is Mary Ann Hutchings. I have found a reference to a marriage between George and mary Ann in 1837 in Marylebone, Middlesex. The strange thing here is that the father's name (doesn't say whether it is the bride's father or the grooms) listed as Richard Maybank. I found a reference to Richard Maybank as being born in Marylebone in 1791. On the 1841 census he is listed among many people with different surnames. An orphanage? Mary Ann Hutchings isn't on the list because she married 4 years before. Her name is listed as Hutchings on the birth certificate and Hutchins on the marriage record. Their daughter, Mary Ann Jeans, was born in 1840 in Bucks, although her parents wedding was in London. I'm not sure what has happened. I also can't find a reference to the birth/baptism of either George Jeans or Mary Ann Hutchin(g)s. I do see a Gorge Jeans from Staffordshire and another from Dorset. Any help, comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. regards David

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Re: George Jeans' family
« Reply #1 on: Friday 14 October 11 22:56 BST (UK) »
I must admit to being a bit confused by a couple of points.  ;)

Are you saying that you have the marriage certificate for George Jeans and Many Ann Hutchings in 1837, and one of them has said their father is Richard Maybank?  :-\

Have you checked the censuses for Mary Ann Jeans and her parents to see what they tell you about places of birth, if you think that it's odd that her parents married in London yet she was born in Bucks? This might help you clear up places of birth of all three.

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Re: George Jeans' family
« Reply #2 on: Friday 14 October 11 23:07 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the reply, Ruskie. i do not have a copy of the1837 marriage certificate,> My source is London Marriages and Banns , 1754-1921 (via Ancestry.com). By the way, Mary Ann Hutchins is listed as a minor and the occupation of Richard Maybank is listed as a clerk. The birthplace ofthedaughter, Mary Ann Jeans, is listed as Steede Claydon, Bucks on her birth certificate.So far, I haven't managed to find the birth places o her parent using the census records. David

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Re: George Jeans' family
« Reply #3 on: Friday 14 October 11 23:41 BST (UK) »
The 1837 marriage record is the actual  Marriage Certificate, not the Banns. It's only just after the start of Civil reg. Perhaps the minister was somewhat confused as to what he should have been doing!  Instead of naming the father of the respective pair, he has written in the person/guardian (Maybanks) who permitted the marriage of a minor - which is what the minister would have done on a parish record prior to civil reg.

MARRIAGE Certificate - Solemnized in Christ Church in the Parish of St Marylebone on 17 Jul 1837 St Marylebone, after Banns:
George JEANS, full age, Bachelor,  of 34 Blackburn Mews
Mary Ann HUTCHINS, minor, Spinster, of 8 King Street
Occupation : Servant has been written in the middle of them both
Father's Name: Richard MAYBANK, clerk, has been written in the middle of them both.
Rich'd MAYBANK is also one of the witness'.
Other witness: S E BLABY
Bride & Groom both signed their own names, Mary Ann more legibly than George.

The banns themselves, are also on record - but don't give anything away aside form their names & marital status. The last call was the day before the actual marriage.

1841:  Not a large institution  - it appears to me that the enumerator has simply omitted to follow the instuction to a) place a // after each seperate dwelling/household and b) place a / after each seperate group within that household where the / marks the (probable) family unit (parents & children) then / relatives / visitors/ lodgers/ servants etc..

Instead, the enumerator has written Do. (ditto) to cover two jobs, 1) to mark the start of each household and 2) to say it's on the same street as the previous household(s). You have to go a few pages back to see the Do. in this case is (apparently) indicating "Stafford Steet". Image attached, red marks mine are a guess as to how it may have looked at least in part,  if done proper  :)

Richard MAYBANK's 1841 household appears to be:
Stafford Street (written a few pages back), St Marylebone
Do.
Rich'd MAYBANK, 50, Clerk, - N
Catherine MAYBANK 45 - N
Rich'd MAYBANK 20, Butcher - Y
John MAYBANK 15 - Y
Mary ------MAN 70,  - N
Harriot ------MAN 30, - N
Samuel HUTCHING?? 30, Harness?? Maker?, b Scotland
Sarah BLABY 20 - Y
Sarah HITCH 60, Ind - N
Ann BISHOP 60 - Y
Do.

The image is not too good (a scan of it would possibly be more clear, as opposed to a photocopy - you could try asking the source of the image if they can produce a scan).

The Samuel fellow looks mightily interesting - and remember, ages were supposed to be rounded in 1841 and look as if they have been here - he could be as old as 34. He might be an older brother of Mary Ann HUTCHING? Too young to be a father, perhaps?

And Sarah BLABY in 1841 could be as old as 24, and is perhaps likely to be the 2nd marriage witness in 1837.

I would also hazard a little guess that Mary ----MAN and Harriot ----MAN could be mother & sister of Richard's wife.

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Re: George Jeans' family
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 15 October 11 00:33 BST (UK) »
On 24 March 1845, in Christ Church, Marylebone
Sarah Elizabeth BLABY, spinster,  married a Thomas STEVENS.
She was of full age and lived at 16 Stafford Street.
Her father was a John BLABY, Beadle.
The witness' were Richard BLABY and Mary BLABY

Was hoping for a JEANS witness (or that she married a HUTCHINS  ::) but never to mind - she's clearly the witness on the JEANS/HUTCHINS marriage and the same lass in the 1841 Census.

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Re: George Jeans' family
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 15 October 11 00:52 BST (UK) »
Hi David

The daughter Mary Ann JEANS b 1840
Can you tell us, who did she marry & when and where?  Do you have her on any Census (pre- or post- marriage).
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,553871.0.html

Married Francis FORRESTER in 1862, St Pancras
Spinster, full age,  of Bedborough St (same as groom)
Father : George JEANS, Cabman

1871: In St Pancras, Age 30, b Buckinghamshire
RG10 / Piece: 223 / Folio: 42 / Page: 42

1881: In Islington, Age 40, b Buckinghamshire
RG11 / Piece: 236 / Folio: 21 / Page: 38


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Re: George Jeans' family
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 15 October 11 01:56 BST (UK) »
This family look interesting ?

CENSUS 1881: 19 King Street, Lambeth (a few separate families at this add)
RG11 /  Piece: 585 / Folio: 37 / Page: 17
Head: George JEANS 72, no employment, b Dorsetshire
Wife: Mary Ann JEANS 61, b City Road, Mdx
Dau: Lydia JEANS 17, unm, b Sheffield St, London Mdx (abt 1864)

MARRIAGE 1888: In parish Church of St Mary Lambeth, Surrey, on 9 Sep 1888
William Charles PARTLETON 22, Bachelor, Compositor, of 34 Catherine St, father: Charles PARTLETON, Leather dresser
Lydia JEANS 22, Spinster, of 22 King Street, Father: George JEANS, Coachman (dec)
Witness: William G. P?---------? And Fanny PAGE.

Trying to spot them in 1871
 
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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 15 October 11 02:23 BST (UK) »
CENSUS 1871: 22 Water Street, St Clement Danes, Strand, London
RG10/ Piece: 365/ Folio: 30/ Page: 23
Head: George JEANES 54, Carman, b St Giles Dorsetshire
Wife: Mary Ann JEANES 50, b Middlesex London
Son: Charles JEANES 19, unm, Coal Boy, b St Pancras
Son: Frederick JEANES 10, b St Clements
Dau: Lydia JEANES 6, b St Clements

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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 15 October 11 02:52 BST (UK) »
CENSUS 1861: Spies Court (off White Hart St?), St Paul, Covent Garden, Westminster
RG9 / Piece: 177 / Folio: 73 / Page: 2
Head: George JEANES 51, Stableman, b St Giles Dorsetshire
Wife: Mary Ann JEANES 40, b City Road, Middlesex
Son: George 23, unm, Stableman
Dau: Louisa 20,
Dau: Sarah 17,
Son: James 14, Errand Boy
Son: Charles 10,
Dau: Elizabeth 7,
Son; Frederick 11,
All issue born City Road

CENSUS 1851:  1 Streets Building, St George Hanover Sq, Westminster
HO107; /Piece: 1476 / Folio: 259 / Page: 23
Head: George JEANES 40, Labourer, b St Giles Dorsetshire
Wife: Mary A JEANES 30, Charwoman, b Shoreditch, Mdx
Son: George JEANES 12, Errand Boy, b St Georges Mdx
Dau: Mary Ann JEANES 11, Scholar, b Birch, Gloster
Dau: Louisa JEANES 10, Scholar, b St Georges Mdx
Dau: Sarah JEANES 7, Scholar, b St Georges Mdx
Son; James JEANES 4, At Home, b St Georges Mdx
Dau: Lavinia JEANES 2, At Home, b St Georges Mdx

Was ticking along nicely - till we get to daughter Mary Ann's birthplace  ???

The daughter Louisa:
BIRTH: Louisa JEANES, Jun Qtr 1841, Westminster
Right smack on Census time ....maybe explains why I can't find them in the 1841?


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