Durham Place , Middlesbrough

[smoggie45]

thats we thought at first , but now we are led to believe that they are the same but were re named tees cottages  , it gets confusing doesnt it



David

[genjen]

I guess it is back to the old maps then, David.

Will whipby come up trumps again?

[smoggie45]

she did well with that Durham Place ,  I have the same problem on mams side as you have with John Smith . My mams great grandad was David Morgan born in monmouthshire south wales , there is thousands  . I am going to Stockton cemetary tuesday as have found his grave so maybe get some definite date of birth 

[Whipby]

I've found Tees Cottages in the 1891 census, they are in Enumeration District 3, using the references from this site:  http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Middlesbrough_Registration_District,_1891_Census_Street_Index_S-T .  It seems to indicate that they were in the Tees Iron Works, which agrees with the census entry as it states Tees Iron Works (Tees Cottages) as the address.  In that year there was a Robert Craddock living there, he was a Foreman Horse Keeper. 

Attached is another portion of the map, showing the first part of Dock Street (lower right corner).  You can still see Durham Place (upper left corner) to give you an idea of distance etc.  I think Tees Cottages must have been to the upper right of this area, off the map altogether, somewhere in that vicinity.  From the 1891 census it looks as though the enumerator was walking up Dock Street, from the corner of Bridge Street East, in what I think would be roughly a north easterly direction.  When he got to the end of Dock Street, which is about three times the length shown on this portion of the map, he would probably have turned right, but I'm not sure of the layout of the roads from that point on, either then or now.  But it's certainly heading in the direction of where the Riverside Stadium is situated now, so that fits with your dad's recollection of the location of Tees Cottages.

I think the Gilkes name refers to a man called Edgar Gilkes who was a local iron master / engine manufacturer.

And I'm almost certain I've heard of Tees Cottages before, if only I could remember where ...

Hope this helps.

Edit - oops forgot to attach the map.

[Whipby]

Well I've found Tees Iron Works on this site:  http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html
Search for Dock Street, Middlesbrough, and a modern map comes up.  There are several old maps to choose from on the right hand side.

Scroll down these old maps until you get to the 1938 Pre WWII map.  (This seems to be the clearest of the area.)  Click on the Enlarge Map box.  You can just see the Tees Iron Works name on the shallow bend of the river, roughly vertically in the middle but towards the right hand edge of the map.  To the right of the Tees Iron Works is the Ormesby Iron Works - you may find this is a bit clearer to read and will help you locate the Tees Iron Works.

The map isn't clear enough to identify the cottages, but that's where they must have been.  To the right of the Riverside Stadium as it is now.

[smoggie45]

robert craddock is rebecca galloways father, so that is the right cottages . My dad will be over the moon when i show him these maps


thank you very much

David
 

[Whipby]

You're very welcome, hope your dad is pleased.  I've enjoyed doing this, I love looking at old maps and trying to figure out where things were.

Edit - I've found a better map of Tees Iron Works on the Old-Maps website.  Search for Dockside Road, then choose the Cochrane's Wharf address.  From the old maps on the side, scroll down to the 1894-1895 Pre WWII 1:2,500 Yorkshire map.  You will see Tees Iron Works and Ormesby Iron Works in close up.

I can't see Tees Cottages marked, but the address that appears next to that in the 1891, Cargo Fleet Timber Yard, is clearly shown, so presumably the cottages must have been somewhere around there, and there are some unmarked buildings dotted around so maybe one of those is the cottages.

[Nutty1966]

One of my late gt grandad's was also a horse keeper for the steel works, but he lived in a cottage - unable to remember the name  but the cottage was located near to where the old Grangetown fire station was, I think now it is Fire Extinguisher factory or some such thing.

I have enjoyed this thread, also born in the Boro, but lived in Marske all my life

Jane

[Roobarb]

I've just come across this thread and found it very interesting, having been born and brought up in the Boro.

Sorry to hijack it but just wanted to ask whipby - do you have access to a lot of old photos of Middlesbrough? My ancestor had a business at 160 Newport Road in the late 19th to early 20th century, this would have been in the area that was later demolished, past the North Riding Infirmary, on the same side . I have tried in vain to find any photos of this part of Newport Road but all the ones I've come across are in the town centre around the junction with Linthorpe Road. I'd love to see what the shop and living accommodation looked like. 


David, if you wanted to check out Araf Chohan's book that whipby mentioned, there are copies available to borrow at Laburnum Road library in Redcar, in South Bank library or in the local history reference section in Redcar main library. If you can't get it it's cos I got there first!