Alfred Quelch iromongers assistant COMPLETED

[keyboard86]

OK made my point on another thread on similar theme, but for any new researchers of the Quelch line,  and myself , where do the 2 Rachels go to in 1841/51?
Keyboard86

[Otamatata]

Hello
Firstly, my apologies Alfred died on the 12 June 1933 aged 82 and not 21 April 1943 (as I previously said).  His wife Ellen died on 21 April 1943.  He had been in New Zealand for 63 years - immigrated about 1870.  Therefore the Alfred referred to in 1871 census as ironmongers assistant may not be the same.  Also, if he was 18 years old in 1871 that makes his birth about 1853.  The census information I have is:
1861 - Alfred James Quelch male, 11 years, son, St. Ebbe Oxford, Holy Trinity Parish Oxfordshire
1851 - Alfred Quelch male, 1 year, son, Oxford, Oxfordshire
Both records aligning more closely with 1851 birth year.
FYI - Alfred's ironmonger business in Timaru lasted from 1883 to 1888 when it became bankrupt.  He had the sole contract with the Timaru Habour Board, a major client, who switched to a competitor Priest & Holdgate.  Alfred also had the agency for milking machines and a threshing grain machine.  The loss of business and capital outlay over stretched the business finances.  He returned to Dunedin in 1888 with his family.
Regards

[keyboard86]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat, the " 1851/1861 census information I have" can you provide the census refs?

Are we to assume that their were 2 Alfred's born approx 2 years apart in same location, in same trade?
Keyboard86

[Otamatata]

Hello
Census source is 2011 International Genealogical Index - a service provided by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Have received burial records from Dunedin City Council Cemetery Archives.
Have also ordered Alfred James Quelch death record from NZ Internal Affairs Government Agents.  This record holds parents names, wifes name, off-spring number & age at time of deat and cause of death.  Expect delivery within next 3 weeks (slow due to time of year).  Will provide further details to you when received.
Re your last comment - it is totally feasible that separate individuals have same name even within dates closer than 2 years - even possibly related with the same job.  Having studied naming conventions; family work operations and business structures the likelihood of this occurring is highly probable during this time.  Even today my wifes sister and brother each have a daughter named Rachael both girls were born within 6 months of each other and both are nurses.  There names have a history whereas their occupations coincidential.
Regards

[keyboard86]

Hi and welcome back to Rootschat, this appears to be the Alfred Quelch b c 1850/1

1851 Census

George Quelch 30 occ Cordwainer
Mary 28
Emma 7
George 5
Mary 3
Alfred 1
Residing at Blackfriars Road, St Ebbe, Oxfordshire Census Ref HO107/1728/256/22

1861 George 15 and Alfred 11 at 68, Blackfriars Road Census Ref RG09/895/48/35

1871 George 25 and Alfred 21 occ Boot Makers b Oxford, residing at Meard Street, St Anne, Soho, Westminster, London. Census Ref RG10/144/65/44

1881 Alfred 30 is now a Market Gardener b St Ebbe married with 4 children.
Census Ref RG11/1497/109/2

Birth Alfred Quelch Sept qtr 1849 Oxford v16 page 97
Keyboard86

[Kessia05]

Thanks Keyboard86, your search has not gone to waste and I appreciate your help. I ended up placing a completed aspect on the search as I new I'd be busy over the Nov Dec period, added to that my computer died, so I have updated to a apple mac which means I will have to go to a new geneology database as the current one I use is a windows only base program. Hopefully I'll get back into in the next month or two. Thanks again