Foulkes Family Lookup, please

[knerakaz]

I've seen the census' with the Thomas & Sarah/Sinah family also the Jones family before but that just adds to the confusion . I'm sticking with the mothers maiden name of Ellen or Elinor Davis or Davies from Catherines 2nd marriage certificate till her 1st one arrives to compare them.
Thanks Roger.

[knerakaz]

Yes, the Conn family tree is mine so I do know the error in it which I have yet to correct.

[despair]

I have an alternative identity/history for Catherine(Bridget?)Foulkes who married Thomas Hughes as per your webpage,but I still don't think she is the one you are after if she is the daughter of Thomas Foulkes (gent).
Some of the following I'm sure you know but I need to put it all down to review it as a coherent whole(and to ensure you have common data where appropriate)

Catherine Foulkes marries Thomas Hughes 1856 Wrexham civil marriage
(www.northwalesbmd.org.uk - ref 1856 WM/005/01)

I believe that Catherine Foulkes is baptised in 1836 in the Wesleyan Chapel Llangollen with parents Thomas Foulkes(lab) from Street Isaf Ruabon and Elinor(maiden name not specified but I believe Jones- see later)
source-Blackwell Index(non conformist)-Clwyd Family History Society
For her to be from Llangolllen only 5 miles from Ruabon would make more sense than the Henllan area.

The 1841 census from large parts of this area are,I believe,missing,but the 1851 census (ref HO107 2503 276 14) shows Catherine's mother Elinor already dead(possibly 1848 childbirth of Elizabeth?) but I can speculate on her origins.This is a family involved in coalmining as Thomas Hughes.There is a nephew William Jones.

Thomas Hughes is of course at this time at ref HO107 2503 368 60 with family as per your webpage
I think there is a reasonable chance that Catherine's mother Elinor is Elinor Jones baptised 08/03/1815 in the same Wesleyan Chapel Llangollen
parents John Jones and Margaret-there are so many couples with these that speculating on siblings for Elinor is difficult but there is possibly a William in 1816(traditional family name as per the nephew?)
I have a feeling I've missed something out but I'll leave it there for now.

Roger

[knerakaz]

Catherine daughter of Thomas Foulkes.
Yes, I have seen the info. & came across the Llangollen baptism in 1836 on IGI. I checked out a map of the area yesterday to see where it was in comparison to the Wrexham area where she married her first husband Thomas Hughes. 
Think you may be right in that this seems more likely to be her.

Still awaiting Wrexham marriage cert. to arrive, (so curious as to what it says), hopefully by the end of this week. They get to Australia pretty quickly from England.

Karen.

[despair]

Just in case-haveb you seen:-
www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/1857.htm

"Monsoon" Liverpool 16/12/1856  Port Adelaide  17/3/1857

Thomas Hughes labourer Denbighshire 27
Catherine(Williams?)                              20
Thomas Hughes                                      1  died at sea Feb 8th 1857 diarrhoea

Obviously they had problems with her maiden name back then!

Roger

[knerakaz]

Thanks very much Roger.  Hadn't thought to look at Adelaide for their immigration record, also explains why couldn't find a birth record in Victoria for their son Thomas.
Karen.

[despair]

I will check for other alternatives in case they are not the right couple(and brush up on my Australian geography).The birth would obviously be registered in Denbighshire if they are(two are registered at Ruabon/Wrexham) but where the death might be(if at all) I don't know.

Roger

[knerakaz]

I doubt young Thomas' death would have a death record as buried at sea.
Their next son was also called Thomas born in Aust. Nothing on Victoria BDM for him so I have a query out to South Australia awaiting an answer for any birth there between 1857 & 1859, as S.A. doesn't have an online bdm.
Karen

[despair]

As a slight aside I keep worrying about the name "Bridget" which to me is an Irish name.It appears on the www.ancestry.com site in relation to Jenkin Jenkins but I don't have access to check for transcription etc.If Catherine Bridget Foulkes was somehow Thomas' wife wouldn't Jenkin Jenkins be marrying Catherine Bridget Hughes(widow)?or have I got things completerly wrong?If it is real is there any chance that Thomas Hughes' wife and Jenkin Jenkins'wife are different people?

Roger