Walsh / Kenneally - Thurles / Clonmel areas

[Strawberryvic]

Hi there, can anyone help me as I seem to have hit a bit of a dead end. 

I am researching my grandmother's family from Tipp.  Her parents were Jeremiah Walsh (b. approx 1876) and Ellen (b. approx 1876).  I have looked at the census and they are showing as a family on the 1911 one.

I am having problems working out Ellen's maiden name and family.  I think she was Ellen Kenneally, but I'm not sure.  I have looked at the birth record for what I think is one of my grandmother's brothers (John Walsh) and his parents were Jeremiah Walsh and Ellen (nee Kenneally).  Jeremiah and Ellen were married in Thurles.  I don't want to be barking up the wrong tree with this one, though, and I don't know how to make sure that the info I have is correct.  Would anyone be kind enough to help or point me in the right direction?

Many thanks.
Vic

[shanew147]

Is this your Walsh family in 1911 ?

   Walsh household, townland of Hayward

Most of the family are listed as being born in Co. Tipperary, except for the eldest daughter who was born in Co. Kilkenny. This couple are married 10 years so c1901 - so probably in Co. Tipperary. They area they are living in 1911 is in the registration district of Clonmel.

Usually the way to start the search would be to establish Ellen's maiden name by checking for a birth for one of the children - then search for a marriage based on that. The surname Walsh is quite common in that area so there might be a few possible matches..

see : Introduction to Irish Records



Shane

[Strawberryvic]

Hi Shane and thanks for the very quick reply!

Yes that family you found on the 1911 census does seem to be my family, the daughter "Mary Anne" is actually my grandmother.  Unfortunately I haven't been able to locate a birth record for Mary Anne, but I managed to find one for her brother John.  That's where I got the mother's name of Ellen Kenneally.  I then found a marriage for an Ellen Kenneally and Jeremiah Walsh in Thurles in 1902.  But there seem to be so many Ellen Kenneallys (or derivatives of that name) and I now am struggling to find her parents.  On the marriage cert it states that her father is James Kenneally, but I can't seem to find one on the Ancestry website that matches up with the info I have.

As for the Walsh side, Jeremiah Walsh's father is listed on the marriage cert as John Walsh, and there are loads of them!!!

[shanew147]

What place of marriage, and residence are given on the cert for the marriage ?

It's just that that Thurles is about 50km away from the area they are living in 1911.. did the townland on the birth cert you have match up with the census return ?

There's a possible match for Jeremiah in 1901 working as a servant in the townland of Moyneard :

  Kennedy/Corcoran/Walsh household - 1901



Shane

[Strawberryvic]

No it didn't match.  The marriage certificate for Jeremiah and Ellen listed their respective addresses as "Moynard" and "Coolahulla".  The birth certificate for their son John Walsh shows their address as "Dovea".  Both the marriage and the birth were registered in the district of Thurles.

However, as my grandmother (Mary Anne Walsh) was born in Kilkenny, I didn't think it was too unusual about the distance between Thurles district and Clonmel district, as I thought that maybe they had to move around the area to find work perhaps?

Certainly the 1901 census entry for Jeremiah in Moyneard would seem to be a link to the marriage certificate entry which states he lived in "Moynard".  Hmmm......

[shanew147]

the Moynard references sound very promising - greatly narrows down the list of Jerry/Jeremiah possibilities.

Moynard is located in the registration district of Thurles - so another match. Marriages usually took place in the parish where the bride was living - so maybe Ellen is some where nearby in 1901


Shane

[annclare]

No it didn't match.  The marriage certificate for Jeremiah and Ellen listed their respective addresses as "Moynard" and "Coolahulla".  The birth certificate for their son John Walsh shows their address as "Dovea".  Both the marriage and the birth were registered in the district of Thurles.

What church were they married in? - should show it on marriage cert
annclare

[annclare]

Hi Shane and thanks for the very quick reply!

  On the marriage cert it states that her father is James Kenneally, but I can't seem to find one on the Ancestry website that matches up with the info I have.

Have you seen the 1901 census for James Kenally family
might be relevant
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Killea/Kilmacuddy/1702144/

annclare

[Strawberryvic]

Hi Shane and Annclare, thanks for the info.  The 1901 census looks very interesting.  The only thing is that in the census the family is shown as living in Killea, whereas the marriage of Ellen and Jeremiah took place in Thurles district which looks like it is some distance away?  I suppose there could be a good reason for this though not sure.  I haven't actually got the marriage certificate, I just paid 5 euros and looked at the marriage entry on the Irish Family History website, so it doesn;t say which church the marriage was in.