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Re: The Croal Family of Guiana
« Reply #9 on: Monday 25 March 13 12:16 GMT (UK) »
I agree that the name Alexander Croal was prevalent at the time. I have 4 in my tree.
(1) Died 16 Feb 1842 in Werk-en-Rust. No relationship found.
(2) Born 13 May 1802 in Arbroath, married Mary Park (My GG Grandmother) 17 Aug 1834 in Greenock, died 3 Mar 1886 in Carnoustie.
(3) Died 1887, married Margaret (Maggie) Munroe. No relationship found.
(4) Born 11 Jul 1836 in Greenock, son of Alexander Croal(2) above, died Feb 1853 in Georgetown, Demerara.

I have no knowledge of an Alexander Croal married to a Susan Raitt, or one married to Jean Laurance.

I have linked an updated Croal family from John Croal, born 1765 in Arbroath. See if any of the names and or dates co-incide with yours.
www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~rnewfie/Family_History/John%20CROAL.pdf

In summary, most of my Croals were centred around Greenock, Liverpool, Georgetown Guyana and latterly, south east London.
Brookes of Whitchurch, Broughall, Doddington & Steeple Aston
Henry of Broadoak
Lee of Stoke Bruerne & Malpas
Wycherley of Clive & Wycherley
Vawdrey of Tushingham

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Re: The Croal Family of Guiana
« Reply #10 on: Monday 25 March 13 15:14 GMT (UK) »
OK - here are a couple of things. I have found your Alexander Croal (m Mary Park) in the 1861 census - he and his daughter Mary W. are in Dundee St, Barry - under Croall - he is retired. (But maybe you have that and just haven't put it in your tree).

Now I may have found the birth of Isobel Whitton - there was one baptized on 20 Dec 1759 in Barry. Her parents were James Whitton and Agnes Small and there abode was in Whinny-hall, parish of Monikie. (ditto about the tree).

How sure are you of the dob of John Croal in 1765? Isobel would be some six years older than him, which might be a bit unusual. By the way John was a mason by trade.

Now there was a John Croll baptized on 5 Apr 1758 (which would make him more Isobel's age) in Arbroath to James Croll and Mary Petrie (one witness was David Petrie who could be her father or brother perhaps). Now, they also had several other children, one of whom was named Alexander who was baptized on 7 July 1760 (David Petrie was a witness).

What I like about this family is that if this John is your earliest John, then my earliest Alexander Croal, ship master and father of my gg uncle Alexander Croal born 18 Jan 1801, could be his brother (who married Jean Laurance). I'll see if I can dig up anything else on this.

As it stands at the moment, my first Alexander and his son Alexander who married Susan Raitt (and drowned in 1875), do not appear to be otherwise related to your Croals unless my speculation above is possible.

Now, turning to the master mariner side. As I mentioned earlier, I have come across various certificates of competency of Alexander Croal. Looking at them more closely, I think that records may have got muddled and are incomplete. The master's certificate does belong to my Alexander Croal I believe because even though the year is incorrect, the actual date of birth is correct - and you might remember your day rather than the year perhaps! Records of service also tie up. The certificate was granted in 1851 - yet there was an announcement in a London paper that Alexander Croal had passed his master's exams in London in 1850 and he was second mate on the Palmyr of London. Other records I found for justification relate to the Palmyr of Liverpool as well as London. Since your AC's family was in London in 1851, then this fits - especially as children were born in Liverpool.

I also note from your tree that the Hon John Croal was the owner of a plantation called Palmyra. I wonder whether he was the owner of the vessel that AC was aboard? John may also have been a ship's captain because in the late 1830s and 1840s the ship Palmyra was regularly plying between  London and Demerara (as well as elsewhere) under master Croal (and this presumably can't be Alexander if he didn't get his master's certificate until 1850. I will follow up on this if you like. 

Ah well, all good stuff!

Regards

David

 

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Re: The Croal Family of Guiana
« Reply #11 on: Monday 25 March 13 18:34 GMT (UK) »
Bit more for your tree. Gravestone 995 in Arbroath Abbey gives John Croal, mason, d 3.1825; wife Isobell Whitton, d 21.3.1822 aged 64 (which dates you have, of course); but also daughter Mary, d 9.11.1862 (husband John Steele) and their daughter Isabella, b 13.11.1840, d 1.3.1841. 

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Re: The Croal Family of Guiana
« Reply #12 on: Monday 25 March 13 18:43 GMT (UK) »
Even a bit more! Gravestone 199 in Barry has Alex Croal, Mary Park and many of their family members. If you don't have all these dates, then I can send them.....


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Re: The Croal Family of Guiana
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 07 April 13 12:54 BST (UK) »
It was very likely John Croal's younger brother Robert Croal, born in Arbroath in September 1794, also a master mariner, who was master of the Swift on her last voyage, when she was run down by the brig Robert off Flamborough Head in early March 1815 with the loss of all crew and passengers.

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Re: The Croal Family of Guiana
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 04 April 15 16:56 BST (UK) »
Sorry if this is a bit late, but the University College London Legacies of British Slaveownership Database (Google LBS UCL, which should take you straight to the search form) has entries for a John Croal who was a Demerara planter in the 1830s and who subsequent to emancipation seems to have increased his holdings to include plantations Versailles and Malgre Tout.  He's recorded as dying in Liverpool(?) in 1853.  There are other mentions of a Mr Croal in the dairy of the second Apostolic Vicar General of Demerara, Father JT Hynes in the mid 1840s, though it's not clear if the Croal he refres to was himself a Catholic - probably not.   To get the diary you have to Google "Brian Condon's Databases"  where there is a transcript.   It's an interesting read, since Hynes was by no means secure in Demerara.   Reference in the UCL database also to kin called Ethelston.    My main interest is actually the Makgre Tout plantation and its owner in 1834, Charles Foxlow Milne.

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Re: The Croal Family of Guiana
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 04 April 15 17:08 BST (UK) »
Correction - possibly - the Wikipedia article on the Bourda cemetery in Georgetown, Guyana, says John Croal is buried there - it's therefore unlikley that he died, as I wrongly claimed in my earlier entry, he died in Liverpool.

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Re: The Croal Family of Guiana
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 04 April 15 17:14 BST (UK) »
Yes - John Croal died at sea aboard the Derwent in 1853 - he must have been on his way to Guyana. The LBS entry does make this clear

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Re: The Croal Family of Guiana
« Reply #17 on: Monday 01 November 21 21:13 GMT (UK) »
I wanted to reply to the author of the John Croal family tree.  I have some more information to add to it.  My Great grandfather Robert Wight Croal (I have his death cert)was the son of Conrad Croal and Georgina Croal (nee Imlach I think).  I have the death certificate which states his parents.  He moved to New Zealand after being a steward on a few boats between NZ and Australia.  Then married Jane Sim Bayne and had Georgina and Grace Croal identical twins and my grandfather Robert Conrad Croal who in turn had my father Conrad Robert Croal.  They like to keep the names in the family. 

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~rnewfie/Family_History/John%20CROAL.pdf