Burials at Trinity Churchyard New York

[LinnettW]

I thought I had found all of the family buried in Trinity Churchyard but further info has been sent to me about 2 more burials in the family plot and  I can't find out anything about them. 1. Charles A Deeken, born Germany, age 38 yrs, Jersey City, death date 12.11.1872, buried 15.11.1872, concussion intern. Found NY Death and Burials on one site and his name there is Charles A Deecken. Can't pin him down in a census under variations of this name. Or being naturalised. Why he is buried in with the family is another mystery. The second burial is Thomas Jones, born United States, age 45 yrs, Bellview Hospital, Pthesis. Died 15.7.1878, buried 16.7.1878.  He is therefore born in the US in 1833 which is way before the family went from England to the US. The other Jones buried in Trinity is William J Jones b 1810 England buried 1871. Perhaps Thomas is a nephew. It would be amazing if the records of the Bellview Hospital were still around. Any suggestions or info about these two would be greatly appreciated. 

[Closed Account]

The Charles Deecken who died in New Jersey is 1872 was the son of George Deecken and Henrietta Kossz.  The Charles A. Deecken you found on the 1880 census is Charles's son, who appears there along with his other son George (likely named after his father) and his widow Anna T. Reinhard Deecken.  Prior to his marriage, Charles Deecken appears with his family on the 1860 census in NYC (i.e., him, his parents, his brother George, and his sister Amelia).  Amelia married a Charles Dietz in NYC in 1870.  George's wife may have been either a Sarah Pryor or an Amelia Hoppel/Hoppers.  I've also come across a John Deecken in a NYC directory that shared an address at one point who is likely some sort of relative.  His wife appears to have been a Sophia L. Johns (Jones?).

There is not much I can do with Thomas Jones due to the name being so common.  I'm assuming that you have the death certificate from NYC as you know the cause of death, and so if you are willing to share the address and profession noted on it then I can look into that a bit.  Also, if you know the name of William's widow (assuming he had one) or address at time of death, then I can check into that as well.  You will likely have to write/email Bellvue to determine whether or not they have the old records anymore as well as whether or not they are willing/charge to release them.

[dollylee]

I thought I had found all of the family buried in Trinity Churchyard but further info has been sent to me about 2 more burials in the family plot and  I can't find out anything about them. 

It would help to have the name of the family who own/are buried in the family plot in order to find any connection to Mr. Deeken or Mr. Jones.

dollylee

[LinnettW]

To dollydee and jml77, I thank you for your replies and apologise for not replying. Due to family committments I can't do so for a couple more weeks but I am keen to follow up on your information and suggestions and get back to you.  Best wishes for Christmas and New Year to you both and your families and to everyone who has helped me with my researching over the past year and to those who read this post.

 LinnettW
 
 

[LinnettW]

Hello to dollydee and jm177, thanks for your replies.  To dollydee -  the plot was bought by William J Jones who is buried there with his wife my gr gr aunt Sarah Kirkup Jones and other family members.  The Deecken family have no connection that I have found to my family. So the mystery is why he is there and not in New Jersey where his wife and children were. To jm177 - the Deecken family tree is getting to be filled out and my thanks for that. Not so the Jones family. I have no family information about William J Jones, he married into the family and there are no clues about him only that he was a tailor as were most of the men of the family. Thomas I am guessing  must be a nephew. Jones research is just too hard unless like William who always put the J in his name and it leapt off the page. Don't have the death certificates just the Trinity Churchyard burial info but it gives name, date of death, where born, age, address, date of decease, date of interment, death cause, lot no and payment received. Do you think I should get the death certs to be sure I have all the information available?

Regards,

LinnettW

[Vileancestry]

LinetteW, I may have somewhat of an answer to the mystery on the Deeckens.  Charles A Deecken was married to my g-g-great aunt Anna T Reinhard.  The Reinhard family moved from New York to New Jersey in 1870.  It is believed, though I have not proved it yet, that the Reinhard's are buried there.  They were all from Queens so this is not a stretch.  Since he died shortly after the family moved to New Jersey, that may be why he was buried there.  As to why in your family plot, no answers.  Have no Jones in my family tree so far.

[Vileancestry]

LinnettW,

Couldn't reply to your message because have not posted enough to qualify for that privilege.  What I find interesting in this is that Charles' wife Anna is listed on the 1870's census with her parents, son Charles A. Deecken (Jr??), and her siblings.  She is listed as Theresa Dagen though not Anna T. Deecken and her son is listed as Charles Dagen.  The 1870 census did not show martial status. Charles died in 1872 and on the 1880 census, Anna T. Deecken appears with her family at the same address as the 1870, with Charles A. and a George R. who was 7 years old.  Don't know why she was living with her parents or where her husband was.  Obviously, she still had relations with him and had either just had a son or was pregnant with one before he died.  Looking for transport records to see if maybe he went overseas for a period before he died.  Will let you know if anything turns up.

[LinnettW]

Good morning.  The Deecken name is spelt Dakin in 1840 and1850 and Deckens in 1860 and finally Deecken. What I believe happened was that in 1872 the  family were living in Hudson County New Jersey and Anna was pregnant. Charles died in November 1872 and George R was born 1873. Anna would have gone back to her parents for the birth and lived with them and her sister Emma and her family.  In 1895 Anna, Charles and George are still living together in Hudson and by 1920 Anna is still in Hudson and living with her sister Paulene H Ewald.  Anna was 80 and Paulene 66. The mystery is why did Charles want to be buried with my family in New Yorks Trinity Churchyard when he could have been buried in Hudson or wherever the Deecken parents are buried or the Reinhards for that matter. Do you know where Anna is buried?
Charles appears to be a jeweller if I read the 1850 and 60 census correctly. There is a story about 3xgr grandmother Anne Wickham going to America in 1837 with jewellery for the jewellery store a son in law had on Broadway. The men were all tailors. That is the only mention of jewellery. Thats all I have but will still look for more info to see if the story can be filled out more. Let me know what you think of the above.

LinnettW