BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 9 Episode #10 TRACEY EMIN

[jc26red]

Molly, couldn't agree more... I rolled my eyes at the bit with Joseph's marriage cert and the photo with the girls.

Tracy is no a actress, so I'm surprised she hadn't seen the photo of Joseph and the girls before and as she knew her nan had three sisters, she should have been able to pick her out age wise.

Nick, I think Tracy was surpressing a lot of her normal behaviour, she is usually quite different if you know what I mean

[stonechat]

Fraid I did my usual mid prog nap
Missed the link between Kerrison and the gypsy

[Ringoroses]

Shocked that 9 year olds were shipped off to Canada without their parents consent!

Yes, and elsewhere. And it went on right up until very recently too - within my lifetime, which is pretty astounding.
http://www.childmigrantstrust.com/


It was largely to do with empire building, with our government being in control of far too many dominions to cope with without exploiting the most vulnerable among us, even children.  There was a very good dramatisation on TV about it a few years ago called The Leaving of Liverpool

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Leaving_of_Liverpool

If you google 'child migration without parental consent'  or similar you'll find lots of information about it, much of it pretty harrowing.


Gordon Brown apologised to 'families torn apart' by it last year


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8531664.stm

Regards
Ann

[panda40]

Agree with Milly there were lots of "gaps" when they said this was the father etc. I suppose they can only put so much in one hour.
can I suggest that we have an extended programme on BBC3 for example for us family history buffs that show the entire search carried out by their team which includes all the bits you don't see on the actual programme
panda

[Ringoroses]

I think they tend to put them on a cd, to convince us to buy their magazine.

[Lydart]

I agree with everyone ... a good programme to end the series.   Tracey came over as natural and very interested in everything.   

Pity they skimmed over her fathers roots right at the start of the programme ... with something like ... 'he cant be traced' ... the Turkish Cypriot/Sudanese slave angle would have been interesting.    But her mixed race origins explains her looks ... I had thought she was possibly Middle Eastern

[Winterbloom21]

I like the suggestion about the extended programme on BBC3 to go into all the detail that they couldn't fit into the programme.    Judging by these forums, they'd get a pretty good audience for it, I'd say.    I mean, they do it for the dreaded Big Brother, and this is FAR more interesting!

[Mark Stevenson]

No explanation as to how they verified it...

Now - most people here on Rootschat would be very wary of both the prison entry and that marriage certificate...but not WDYTYA!

Milly (about to watch it again so I can shout at the telly some more)

PS I still trust they did verify it all and didn't just go off what the man with the wallpaper family tree said was true.

There wouldn't be enough time to show all the evidence in one episode, but I can confirm they do verify everything.  If anyone does want any references for source information please let me know.

In case you are interested the key to linking Joseph and Henry was the 1871 census, and Henry's mother, Susan Amelia Price. They are living in South Hackney next door to Susan's family.   Joseph was not too concerned about being factual.  In the 1871 census his birthplace is given as Birmingham and he gave his occupation as "Dirkle Worker".  The enumerator obviously had no idea what it was because he used quotation marks and I've still no idea.

Mark

[julianb]

Given that the BBC is in part a news organisation, there would be strict standards in place to verify information used in programmes.  I would assume that their production company suppliers were also subject to a test to ensure rigour in the information used.  Legal action is expensive to defend.

The genealogists and other social historians used in the programme would also have their own professional standards - and by "going public" their statements and conclusions are also subject to increased scrutiny from the Statler and Waldorfs on here 

Doesn't mean to say that they wouldn't make the occasional mistake, of course, but given there is only an hour for the programme, I'm not surprised that they don't display all the evidence in the final broadcast version.

JULIAN