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Rathoroghan or Bellgrove?
« on: Wednesday 12 October 11 19:52 BST (UK) »
Hi. I have found some baptismal records for my gr gr gr grandparents in Roscommon (Killukin and Boyle). However on the census returns in England in the 1860s, 1870s, 1880s, they say that they are from Bottradon or Rottradon and Dareybrode. Having found an old map of Roscommon and looked very closely at it, I have found a Rathoroghan and Bellgrove. These are the nearest that I can find and maybe if said in a thick Irish accent, might these be the places that we have been looking for so long? If they are not the places, have any suggestions as to what they might be?
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Re: Rathoroghan or Bellgrove?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 12 October 11 22:47 BST (UK) »
Hello,

firstly, are you sure that they records you have found, are for your grandparents?

Here are the townlands for Killukin Civil parish and Boyle Catholic Parish

Dareybrode could be Derry...

I looked the place names up in the census, and remember them from a previous post (but not the context). If they are the families in Measham, there is also a family which says Killa maver  ???

Are these the ones?

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Re: Rathoroghan or Bellgrove?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 12 October 11 23:42 BST (UK) »
You've already a thread where the placenames were discussed, image posted, etc.-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,400921.msg2704825.html
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Re: Rathoroghan or Bellgrove?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 13 October 11 19:06 BST (UK) »
Heywood,
It is the family that moved to Measham. My gr, gr grandad was Andrew Dugan and his parents were Michael and Catherine. Since the thread that Shane has refered to, we have discovered that Catherine's maiden name is Reagan, Regan, Ragin (depending on which of the 2 birth certs of the 2 children born in England you look at and how you interpret it). Also, a distant member of the family says his dad told his brother-in-law that his dad was from Moy. There is a Moy around the Antrim area and also a River Moy around the Roscommon/ Mayo area. I have been in touch with the place that has the records in Armagh that have records for Moy and Portadown and they have no records for Michael and Catherine. We have found baptismal records in County Wicklow, Rathdrum for ANdrew and Avoca for Catherine. But with the Rothoroghan find, I wandered if that may be more likely.  In 1861 and 1871 (I think, off hand), on the census it says they are from Bottradon, and on another census later on, Rottradon. On the 1911 census, Andrew is down as being from County Mayo. ANdrew married a woman whos mother was from Galway. We have found 2 baptismal records for a Michaelem Diggin and a Catharina Regan in Roscommon, Michael in Killukin, Roscommon and Catherine in Boyle, Roscommon. On an old map of Roscommon, I found the place Rathoroghan and thought it may well be Bottradon or Rottradon. Bellgrove is the nearest that have found for Dareygrove where Catherine is supposed to be from (again doesn't exist).
The Killa Maver rings a bell but I can't remember why.
I appreciate that Portadown has been mentioned, but having contacted someone in Armagh who has looked for me with no success, I am exploring other options.
Travlet


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Re: Rathoroghan or Bellgrove?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 13 October 11 19:26 BST (UK) »
I have a feeling that I contributed at some time to the Regan posts as it all rang a bell yesterday,
I wonder if Rottradon is just a corruption of Roscommon.
If I remember rightly, Measham had a small collection of Dugans (with variations) and Killmaver was mentioned with the others as a birthplace.
It might be worth trying to connect those (baptisms/ weddings for sponsors etc).
I have just had a look through censuses for all Irish born persons in Measham. When places of birth are given, there are several similarities- most of which look very suspect and must be just an interpretation of the places.
There is a Bridget D married to Thomas and if she is Bridget Dughan (transcribed as Daghan)  in 1891, she gives her birth place as Balagadereen.
Ballaghaderreen was in Mayo until 1890s I think and then transferred to Roscommon. Just a few miles away is Kilmovee.
It is all very tenuous and as your family were in Measham by 1851, Irish records may be scant or non existent.
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Re: Rathoroghan or Bellgrove?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 15 October 11 07:21 BST (UK) »
I also wonder if the reference to Moy was simply Mayo?
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