Stokes Families

[M S Harmer]

I have two Stokes branches in my family tree and I do not know much about either of them so I'm looking for a little help;

1st is Joseph Stokes who married a Mary Barterham and had a daughter named Elizabeth Stokes born abt. 1814, Dudley, Worchesrer.
she married a Joseph Brooks 1834

2nd is Charlotte Stokes born abt 1769, Nottingham. She married a Thomas Winfield Kempsom 1802 in Kingston Apon Soar.

Any info on both trees, ancesters, siblings, parents ect would be helpful

[majm]

I have two Stokes branches in my family tree and I do not know much about either of them so I'm looking for a little help;

1st is Joseph Stokes who married a Mary Barterham and had a daughter named Elizabeth Stokes born abt. 1814, Dudley, Worchesrer.
she married a Joseph Brooks 1834

2nd is Charlotte Stokes born abt 1769, Nottingham. She married a Thomas Winfield Kempsom 1802 in Kingston Apon Soar.

Any info on both trees, ancesters, siblings, parents ect would be helpful

Hi there,

There are quite a number of threads at Rootschat that have involved searches for KEMPSON, and revolve around Thomas Kempson and Charlotte Stokes and their descendants, particularly a likely son who migrated to South Australia, leaving behind his wife and their Notts born son.  That son’s name was Thomas Winfield KEMPSON.  That Thomas Winfield Kempson ‘s parents were Henry Kempson and his wife, Jane nee Winfield.   That Henry seems to be a son of Thomas Kempson and his wife Charlotte, nee Stokes.   

So, as  far as I see, Charlotte Stokes husband was not Thomas Winfield Kempson, but simply Thomas Kempson. Charlotte Stokes married Thomas Kempson 03 Jun 1802 at Kingston On Soar,Nottingham,England. Their children included a son, Henry Kempson.  That Henry Kempson married Jane Winfield, 13 Jan 1836 at Notts, this was the first marriage for both Henry and Jane.  Their son was Thomas Winfield Kempson, born in 1838, and whose birth was registered  in the last three months of 1838.  He was baptised on 03 Dec 1838 at Ruddington, Notts.   

That Thomas Winfield Kempson and his mother did NOT migrate to South Australia, but they stayed in England.  Jane did not ever re-marry, and from various UK census records, she is found nearby to her family, with her father becoming a registrar for births, deaths.  Her son (Thomas Winfield Kempson) as an adult, taking over from her father as the registrar.   Jane died in 1891 in Notts, and Thomas Winfield Kempson died in 1898 in Notts.

I have not found any formal termination for Jane’s marriage to Henry Kempson, but Henry married several more times, after arriving in Australia on the ship Rajasthan departing London 27 Oct 1839, to South Australia arriving 6 Feb 1840. There are Australian births for Henry’s subsequent marriages.   

Henry died in New Zealand in 1906, and is buried with his wife from his 1875 New Zealand marriage.

May I again suggest that you seek to contact the RChatter, Martin Harmer.  Here are some of his threads regarding Thomas, Charlotte, Henry Kempson and descendants...Alternatively perhaps you could contact sevendays, another RChatter with information about Charlotte Stokes.  You can contact any RChatter via the PM service,  at the click of the button under their name on threads that they have posted on. 

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546766.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,516159.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,529148.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,529147.0.html

Martin is also looking for information on the Stokes families
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,519267.0.html 

And the Sutherland families
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,516358.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,517823.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,520412.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,519478.0.html

On many of those linked threads you will notice various RChatters have suggested that Martin obtains the BDM certificates for which RChatters have supplied their specific reference numbers, so even if you are not able to contact Martin, I feel sure you will enjoy reading through those threads, noting the certificate reference numbers and then wisely choose which ones will help your own research.

May I please ask the following questions ...

  Is any of this information of help to you?

  What BDM certificates do you currently hold that give you confidence that you are connected to either Elizabeth Stokes or to Charlotte Stokes?

Cheers,  JM

[sevendays]

Hi JM
Your reply to Martin caused me to re look at my connection with Charlotte Kempson nee Stokes.
I had overlooked telling Martin about a particular high profiled brother of Charlotte that may open up information on the Stokes. As a result perhaps you could assist by posting for information in the UK - Leicestershire  and Nottinghamshire.

The brother was Thomas Stokes born 6th Feb 1784 ( son to John and Ann)he was a very wealthy Leicester hosiery magnet who became mayor of Leicester in 1838 and later High Sherriff . He was the Lord of Dunton Manor and it appears still today his charity supports the Dunston Bassett school. His House at New Park Leicester is now a government building and his estate at Stokes Wood is now a town. Hence no doubt there must be a great deal of information in Leicester  about Thomas and therefore the stokes. When Thomas died he was interned back in the Stokes Vault at Kingston on Soar Nottingham,. So maybe there is detail in the Church yard vault if it is still there. All I know to date is Thomas' and Charlottes' father was John who died 10th May 1809  and John had inherited the Kingston on Soar Manor Farm from John's Uncle Thomas in 1772.
Regards
Sevendays

[majm]

Thanks sevendays,

That's a great deal of offline research you have obviously undertaken.

Martin Harmer was last online at RChat Sunday 21 August 2011.

M S Harmer joined RChat on Sunday 28 August 2011 and has been online several times since I posted on this thread. Most recently online Sunday 6 Nov.   M S Harmer has not posted any replies to my questions.

May I please ask the following questions ...

    Is any of this information of help to you?

    What BDM certificates do you currently hold that give you confidence that you are connected to either Elizabeth Stokes or to Charlotte Stokes?

Of course, my interest is not that of a family member, but simply that of helping at RChat because I have been helped by so many people during my own long standing searchings for my own forebears, dating back to the era long before the Internet, and to the time when the reliance on Primary Records was paramount to progressing back to the earlier generations.

Adding, see reply #3 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,564459.0.html

Cheers,  JM

[M S Harmer]

Yes, thank you, this info helps verify some of what I already know.
Thanks to another Kempson / Stokes researcher much has come forward.
There is not much in the way of BMD certs. so much of the info comes from will's, and documents (some from churches) from the areas mentioned.
It is slowly coming together, will try to get what certs we can but they scarce.
Thank to all for the info so far.

[majm]

Hi MS,

Thanks for the update.

Good to know that you have been able to validate the Au and NZ information for the Kempson line. 

I am sure there's quite a number of RChatters who helped Martin on his threads and they would most likely be keen to learn of the details on the 1856 mc for Henry Kempson and Ellen Yuille (#2721)

May I ask a further question please, from your research, what was the fate of that Ellen?

I do urge you to validate the info from the summary I posted earlier against the actual certificates and not just index references as the Victorian BDM certificates in particular are usually full of family history details.   

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,516159.0.html

Cheers,  JM