Fresh eyes for a Cooley family in Kent early 1900's?

[IgorStrav]

Hi Goldcoast/star!

I think we decided that the boy who died young was Arthur - 1900-1905 - perhaps?  Which might have been why Bertha's son was with his grandmother and was brought up by her?

I have continued to look for Nathaniel John both under Evenden, Corke and Cooley surnames but no joy for an early death - or, indeed, popping up anywhere else.

I have done a Familysearch for Nathan/Mary Ann parentage births, and Mary Ann 1888 in Maidstone has popped up, as a sourced Christening - which is evidently Marian whose dob we didn't know, and couldn't find a reference for, I think.  Perhaps she's registered as Cooley or something, will have another look in a mo.  ADDED:  found it, under Mary Ann Evenden, Apr qtr 1881 in Maidstone, which is quite right. 

Can't see any other children for them in the gap you mention.  But there could be some we just can't tell without investing in lots of certificates.

I must apologise that I have currently mislaid in my filing the letters which you kindly sent to me from your family history - will turn them up shortly, very sorry - am sure we can find some family in Kent.  Once I have the clues, I will start a bit of a search.

[IgorStrav]

I've just created myself an account on FamilySearch, and asked whether it's possible to be in touch with the person who submitted the information that Sluggie found.  Their reference suggests that they are an Evenden, and given that not very many children are found it's possible they are only connected peripherally, but you never know.

[Sluggie]

familysearch site has:

Nathan evenden
Event(s)
   Birth:  Abt Dec 1856    
      Mereworth, Kent, England    
   Christening:  8 Apr 1866    
      Mereworth,  Kent, England    
   Death:  Abt Dec 1924 Medway, , Kent, England
           Spouse:  Polly (AFN: 1WC2-GC0)    
       Marriage:  Abt Mar 1877  Maidstone, , Kent, England

This marriage date would put mary ann at age 16
so maybe if this is true wouldn't some children have been born about 1878-9 or 1880 as Nathaniel was born 1881, maybe Arthur b.1900 was "accidental" as mary ann and nathan would be starting to get on in age by then
if they had 8 children then we are really only looking for one more

[Sluggie]

SORRY just found a 1881 census same site stating nathan unmarried must be living or visting with his mother at time of census, that marriage date was submitted by djevenden

Nathan EVENDEN    Household
          Male    
     
     Other Information:
          Birth Year    <1857>
          Birthplace    Aylesford, Kent, England
          Age    24
          Occupation    Ag Lab
          Marital Status    U <Unmarried>
          Head of Household    Mary A. EVENDEN
        Relation   Son
        Disability   
     
     Source Information:
        Dwelling   Herne Pound
          Census Place    Aylesford, Kent, England
        Family History Library Film   1341215
        Public Records Office Reference   RG11
        Piece / Folio   0902 / 54
        Page Number   16

Mary A. EVENDEN    Household
          Female    
     
     Other Information:
          Birth Year    <1822>
          Birthplace    East Peckham, Kent, England
          Age    59
          Occupation    Ag Lab
          Marital Status    W <Widowed>
          Head of Household    Mary A. EVENDEN
        Relation   Head
        Disability   
     
     Source Information:
        Dwelling   Herne Pound
          Census Place    Aylesford, Kent, England
        Family History Library Film   1341215
        Public Records Office Reference   RG11
        Piece / Folio   0902 / 54
        Page Number   16

[IgorStrav]

Hi Sluggie

Yes, I have that 1881 entry for Nathan on my tree, have you seen?

Are these Familysearch entries 'submitted'?  Because if so, they may be purely guesswork. We need to check and see.

The 'marriage' entry, for example, which says it is a guess is likely to be someone trying to legitimise the family.

A lot of research has already been done, can you see the census and other sources on the tree?

[IgorStrav]

Sorry, Sluggie, didn't spot that you did say the earlier entry was submitted by djevenden, so I think must be regarded with a pinch of salt.

However, whilst we don't have any evidence that the submitted entry on FamilySearch for Nathaniel John Evenden born in early 1881 does in fact belong to our Nathan and Mary Ann, there is separate evidence of the birth in the official registration, so the child did in fact exist.

And, as you say, this could be one of the missing, dead, four children shown on the 1911 census.  We know that Arthur died in 1905, and that Alice died in 1903, so if Nathaniel is another death - although I can't see the death ref, we are only missing one more.

I did do a search of Evenden births/deaths in the gap between Elizabeth's birth in 1892 and Arthur's in 1900, and came across a possible (would need a certificate to prove it), a Polly Evenden, born Oct 1897 in Maidstone and died April 1900 also in Maidstone.



But more interesting, can I ask for help from anyone still reading through this thread?

Where are the following children of Mary Ann and Nathan in the 1891 and 1901? 

In 1891 the family were in Woolwich (10 Rope Yard Buildings), and in 1901 in Claygate Cottage, Wrotham, Kent.

Missing from both the above censuses is:
Mary Ann (sometimes called Marian) Evenden
Baptism 6th June 1888 (birth 9th May 1888) St Peter's Maidstone
From Familysearch.
Birth Ref Mary Ann Evenden, Apr qtr 1888, Maidstone 2a 713
I only have her in the 1911 where she is Marran Bell.  She marries as Marian Evenden in 1913.

And missing from the 1891 census is:
Alice Evenden
Baptism 13th March 1890(birth 16 Feb 1890) Woolwich Holy Trinity
Birth ref not yet confirmed.
I have her on the 1901 with her family in Wrotham, and I think she dies in Jan 1903

I cannot see either of them with other family members of her mother - had another good look last night!  And I also added some detail to her father Nathan's tree, and his siblings, but couldn't see them there either.

Any suggestions, anyone?

[royd]

If you can't find them with any other family members IgorStrav, it makes me wonder if the enumerator went round omitting very young children from his records???   


I looked at the census on FindMyPast and I guess the enumerator may have wanted to be out of the premises as quickly as possible.


R.

[IgorStrav]

Yes, Royd, I know what you mean with that Rope Yard Census.

I don't suppose it was the enumerator, but perhaps the Boarding House Keeper just lost count of how many people were in each section of his hovel.  Perhaps the two littlest were under the blanket in case he charged more for them......

But even given that, where's Mary Ann/Marian in 1901?  She was nearly 13 so I suppose could easily have been out working somewhere    

I might have a look in the neighbourhood of Bertha's employer to see if she was near her elder sister.

[casalguidi]

Missing from both the above censuses is:
Mary Ann (sometimes called Marian) Evenden
Baptism 6th June 1888 (birth 9th May 1888) St Peter's Maidstone
From Familysearch.
Birth Ref Mary Ann Evenden, Apr qtr 1888, Maidstone 2a 713
I only have her in the 1911 where she is Marran Bell.  She marries as Marian Evenden in 1913.

Possible

Mary EVARDEN age 12 born Maidstone a pupil at 26 Bolingbroke Grove, Battersea (a school for the indigent blind) R13/459 folio 173 page 40

Casalguidi