Fresh eyes for a Cooley family in Kent early 1900's?

[Sluggie]

Hilda Emily Ida Read

[Sluggie]

Is this Bessie Margaret Read or May Jeannie Read, my mother thinks its Bessie (she has always thought it was her)

[goldcoast]

They both look like Bertha Read, same almond shaped eyes like Bertha and my grandmother.  Their father had very different eyes

[Sluggie]

i have a nathaniel john evenden born to nathan and Mary Ann (polly) evenden    birth Abt Mar 1881 Malling, Kent, England
is this right?? found it on Family search

[goldcoast]

Would this be the 14 day old male child in the 1881 census listed as grandson of Richard Corke?  I must admit I didn't have this census entry but I am sure you would have IgorStrav. Life gets in the way of adding this stuff at times...  He must have died young I think.

Since you are sleuthing Sluggie there is an opportunity for more children for Polly and Nathan between Lizzie 1892 and Arthur 1900.  If someone else has these please reveal... I am so confused with this family.

I have an extra day off work this week so will try and get my head organised with this

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[IgorStrav]

Ooh, that's interesting!  I mentioned before the child on the 1881, and hadn't managed to pin down who he was - I have a possible birth ref, (a Joseph, I believe, without looking it up) but without ordering the certificate couldn't check it was the right one.  I do indeed have the census on the tree, if you need to look it up.

If Mary Ann (Polly) was living with her father at the time of the 1881, do we know where Nathan snr was at that Census?  I will have a look.

Hadn't thought to have a look at Familysearch, good one, Sluggie, worth a trawl through those, as the Corkes did mostly have their babies christened, even if they didn't much believe in marriage!

[IgorStrav]

Just to say, yes, I do have Nathan on the 1881 with his widowed mother in Aylesford, Kent, which is about 7 miles away from Trottiscliffe where Mary Ann (Polly) is with her father, Richard Corke, and the young baby.

I can also see the birth reg of Nathaniel John Evenden in Jan qtr 1881 in Malling, Kent.

Interestingly, can't currently see a death ref for him - I wonder what happens because of course by the 1891 Nathan and Mary Ann (Polly) have Albert Sydney and Bertha with them, but no sign of the earlier child.

[IgorStrav]

I see the Familysearch details were submitted, and don't have any sources attached.  The same submitter, called djevenden2686098, also has details of Albert Sydney and Bertha but none of the other children.  Which is a bit of a mystery.

So there are no christening details for Nathan (which was where I initially thought the information came from).  However, the birth reg suggests there WAS such a child, but we have no proof (without the certificate) that our Nathan and Mary Ann were the parents.

Can't see this Nathaniel anywhere else on Ancestry at the moment.

[goldcoast]

If the baby Nathaniel John was Mary Ann and Nathan's child he must have died young as my grandmother talked of all the other children we have identified who grew up. Not sure if I mentioned before that on my scrap of notes she said that Bertha's mother had a baby boy who died young???  Maybe this baby? Her comments have been pretty spot on so far.  But there is also an eight year gap between Lizzie and Arthur but maybe there are other reasons for that.
Would love to find someone from this branch of the family in England.  Anyone know of a local way to advertise cheaply?  There would be family still in Kent I am sure, they were corresponding with my grandmother into the 1980s.

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