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Re: Trait of Muckalee Kilkenny
« Reply #36 on: Tuesday 06 March 12 02:59 GMT (UK) »
Did you want to skype...........I am a slow typist......Can you send email address privately?

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Re: Trait of Muckalee Kilkenny
« Reply #37 on: Tuesday 06 March 12 03:30 GMT (UK) »
The report is a general report but is attached to his default............Tithe wars kilkenny
Also search naming pattern......They seem to follow

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Re: Trait of Muckalee Kilkenny
« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 06 March 12 22:54 GMT (UK) »
To Maxalf
Re Prior Wandersforde Papers,
You say there are lists of tenants on W'forde lands. Are there any lists of miners etc who were brought from England ?
I wonder if the name Trait appears on any lists. That would be a quick way to check, rather than going through the whole document.
I'm in two minds about ordering it from Dublin.
Ken

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Re: Prior/Wandersforde Papers
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 07 March 12 06:59 GMT (UK) »
To Maxalf-
I've sent an email to The Nat Library to find out how to access the papers.
There are 132 boxes, which seems pretty daunting.
Meanwhile, you wrote, Post 12:
"The family I am researching also came in this way."  Did you actually find them mentioned in the P/W papers ?
Ken


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Re: Trait of Muckalee Kilkenny
« Reply #40 on: Monday 19 March 12 23:54 GMT (UK) »
The name Trait-
The experts tell us that the name Trait(e) comes from French, and is an abbreviation of ‘traiteur’, an occupational surname, meaning ‘caterer’. 
Both forms, Traiteur and Trait/ Traite, as well as ‘Le Trait’ and ‘Du Trait’ are to be found in France today. Some Traits went to Spain in the 1700s and became ‘Traite’ pron. ‘try-teh’.
‘Trait’ was (and still is) pronounced [tret] in French. This soon became ‘trate’ in England, but it was written in many different ways, such as Trait, Trat, Trate, Tratte, Traite, Trayte, Treat,  Treight, Traight, etc., all pronounced as ‘trate’.
Today there are still several variations in spelling, but the name is usually pronounced ‘trate’,  although Treat is an exception. In Shakespeare’s time (early 1600s) ‘ea’ was pronounced  ‘ay’ but the sound changed to ‘ee’ and ‘treat’ has followed the trend.

Also, there are several entries for ‘Van Treight’ in Ireland, (even Von Trait) but none in England. The name would seem to be Dutch or Flemish, but the spelling ‘Treight’ can only be English. ‘Van Triet’ (pron. ‘treet’) is found in Holland and South Africa, while Triett is noted in England from 1723 to 1826.
I believe these names come from the Dutch “ Van’T Riet ”  which is an abbreviation of ‘Van Het Riet’ (‘of the reeds’). It seems to be a location name, i.e. ‘from the reed district’. (There is also ‘Rietsnijder’ or Reedcutter, an occupational name)

I believe that it is just a coincidence that both Trait and Van Treight were found in Kilkenny about the same time. Ours were Traits, and originated in France.
 

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Re: Trait of Muckalee Kilkenny
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 10 April 12 14:57 BST (UK) »
I am researching the Lalor/Lawler family of Laois & Kilkenny and notice that MichaelTrait's wife Margaret (1824-1844) was the daughter of Darby & Mary Lalor. He appears in the Tithe Books at Wieldfield, Muckalee (1828). Do you have anything more on him? Mu interest is in looking at Edward Lalor (c 1813-1866) who married Mary Dowling and lived at Muckalee from 1840 to 1853, then migrated to Australia. SOme of my other Lalor families of interest lived at Dunmore, which seems to be part of the Muckaleeparish.
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Re: Trait of Muckalee Kilkenny
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 14 April 12 00:46 BST (UK) »
John,
I'm afraid I don't have anything on Darby Lalor & Mary Delany, other than their names on Margaret's Death Cert. He was a farmer.
There were a few mistakes on the cert.- 20 years in Australia is wrong, they came in 1852, so it should be 32 years.
She was 60 years. This agrees with the ship's list from 1852, when she was 28, so born c. 1824. She died on 7 June 1884, (not 1844).
I remember trying to find if 'Darby' was an abbreviation for another name, but I never did.
Margt was Michael's second wife, so she is not my ancestor. I'm descended from Thomas, eldest son of Michael and Mary Quinlan, who died in Ireland.
I have a marriage date  for Michael & Margt- 1.9.1848, but I don't know where that comes from.
If I find anything more, I'll let you know.
Ken

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Re: Trait of Muckalee Kilkenny
« Reply #43 on: Sunday 03 June 12 05:36 BST (UK) »
Re the name 'Darby'
I believe it came from 'Dermot' but it was also quite common for someone named 'Jeremiah' to be called 'Darby'.

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Re: Trait of Muckalee Kilkenny
« Reply #44 on: Saturday 01 September 12 20:00 BST (UK) »
Thornback Road cemetery; Troyswood Kilkenny;

Patrick Trait; Keatingstown
b. 19/10/1945
d. 30/8/1997
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Jack
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Very overgrown and small graveyard.
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