Esther CREIGHTON of Coonamble-criminal in 1880's & then what?

[majm]

          

NSW ER 1878 THE BOGAN .... ie Coonamble etc

Charles TAILBY, residence  at Merri Merri Creek in the Dubbo Police District

             cause I cannot find him in that electorate in 1870, so perhaps he had moved to the western division of NSW in the interim... 

Of course I should be looking in 1903 and around Sydney but .... I couldn't help myself ...

[majm]

Possibly a side track ...

NSW 1903 polling at Hurstville (electorate LANG)  (one of 19 polling places in that electorate)

Matilda CREIGHTON, Cronulla St, at her domestic duties
Violet Alice CREIGHTON, Cronulla St, also at her domestic duties
AND
David CREIGHTON, "Mojmir", Queens Road, a coachman


(no Whalan or variations, sorry)

Cheers,  JM

[Kylie B]

Ok- now we are getting somewhere!!!

Merri Merri Creek is where George and Esther were apparently living when daughter Edith was born in 1882.
By birth of last daughter Sarah in 1887, residence was listed as Coonamble,

So now we have a Charles Tailby living in Merri Merri creek in 1878!

I couldnt find a birth of a girl to Samuel Taylor and wife Elizabeth Tailby on the NSW BMD's for 1859- closest was 1861...which is making Esther younger and younger....

Esther and George were married in an Anglican Church in Cooma- what would be the chances of Samuel and Elizabeth marrying and having their children possibly baptised in an Anglican church in Tamworth?

Kylie  

[majm]

And out around Narrabri there's Hephzibah Tailby in 1897 with her new babe and  in 1873 there's Jane with her new babe.

[Kylie B]

So the coincidences are adding up!!
Tailby's, and Taylors in the right area....need confirmation that Esther belonged to them though....

I wonder if there is a Tamworth family history group that might have parish records they could search since we don't know what denomination the Tailby's or Taylors were.

Any other Taylors or Tailby's around? Charles was name of one of Esther's sons, and Jane was a daughters middle name. No Samuel's or Elizabeths though...

[Neil Todd]

Hi, Ah Esther and George married in Coonabarabran in 1875 not Coonamble, not far as the Crow Flies so to speak. Coonamble is further to the Gunnedah Tamworth area though.

I will keep looking particularly for Sarah. Can I ask how did you know her name was Esther, other than on the Childrens BC? I ask because if she never had a Christian name or first name, she could call herself anything she found to her liking. Esther may only be the name she became familiar with. There was another Esther Taylor who died in 1850, same area!!!

Neil

[majm]

Long Post, Lots of different bits and pieces

From the OP
Hoping someone might have some inspiration on this one...!!

I have an Esther Taylor- born circa 1859 in Mille near Narrabri NSW
She married George Creighton in Coonamble in 1875- no ages recorded on marriage, but if her age on her children's birth is correct, she was a minor (16yrs old).

Esther and George had 5 children- all born in Coonamble- George Hector, Charles Richard, Edith, Emily Jane and Sarah.

From reply #29
Esther and George were married in an Anglican Church in Cooma

And from reply #32
Ah Esther and George married in Coonabarabran in 1875 not Coonamble    

So, thanks Neil you are spot on correct, for the NSW BDM online Index gives the marriage as registered in the Coonabarabran District and ref #2332 (1875).  Note to JM, check the Indexes !

Some more thoughts ...
 :)As the marriage was not at Coonamble,     .... I am      Sorry Kylie that I forgot the first rule in family history ... Check all the information given !  I should have thought your reply #4 through
contacted the local parish in Coonamble in the past without success (they could not find the originals) .   Of course they could not find the originals, these should be at Coonabarabran, I should have checked  !!! 

BUT, here's some good news :   

NSW ER 1870 THE BOGAN
George CREIGHTON, residence, Castlereagh River, Coonamble.
John TAYLOR, residence, Dahomy, Castlereagh River.
George Alfred TAILBY, leaseholder, Gelargumbone, Castlereagh River (I presume this to be today’s Gulargambone NSW 2828)

GREVILLES 1875 Directory
John TAYLOR, farmer, Woodland, Coonabarabran
Mark TAYLOR, farmer, Mistletoe, Coonabarabran
Mary TAYLOR, settler, Mistletoe, Coonabarabran
Samuel MATTHEWS, labourer, Namoi St, COONAMBLE
George TAILBY, grazier, Golaragambone, COONAMBLE  (Gulargambone )

From George Hector CREIGHTON’s 1888 papers
“Wandering ab out the streets of Coonamble not having any lawful visible means of support his father & mother being in gaol”   “born 8th Aug 1877, Coonamble   CE”  “Information as to name and birth obtained from the district Registrar Information as to religion obtained from boy’s mother”  ...  and the mother is doing a sentence of 2 months for Larceny from a dwelling”   (There are other comments given by the police with claims of Esther associating with men who were not her husband).    A Question please, Kylie .... I wonder if Esther could read/write ...  Kylie, did Esther sign or make her mark when she married George, please


“They (JM notes this is Esther and George) have five children in all, three of whom were sent to the Industrial schools on the 29th May last.  One is an infant in arms. "  (Again this is from George Hector CREIGHTON's May 1888 papers admitting him to the Vernon Training Ship in Sydney Harbour.)

JM notes, this infant would be Sarah, and as she was an infant in arms, she was thus NOT admitted to the Industrial Schools ... so most likely she was with her mother at that time, in the Coonamble Gaol, as there are three names (but NOT Sarah's) at the admissions for the Benevolent Society reply # 8 & 10
 

Conditions at Coonamble gaol   (not good,  )
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13432489 SMH 9 April 1879
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13524443 SMH 17 Nov 1882

  Sadly, I have not found any trace of the BARUFFI family nor of Esther Creighton, in my NSW off line resources.  Sorry.

BUT My fingers are crossed that the Coonabarabran C of E will have the originals of the 1875 marriage cert, and from that we will learn the names of Esther’s parents and her age at marriage, and her father’s occupation, and the same for Esther’s husband, George.

http://www.ourchurchlink.com/profile/view.action?id=5095   There's snail mail, phone and email details at that link   

Cheers,  JM

[Neil Todd]

Hi all, Just a thought!.... If Mum was declared an unfit Mother little Sarah would have been taken either as a Ward of the State or into a situation like a Church school or Orphanage and possibly adopted out...I am no expert but it seems all the kids were taken off her hands and George shot through.
Lots of supposition, a little light on facts but worth checking

Hey great information on that last post Mjm. If she is and it sure looks like the same one then the Church records are crucial to finding out the facts.

Its a tangled up family Kylie but there's some great people on RC and it will come out. Everybody leaves some evidence

Neil

[majm]

Re Sarah ....

Well,  may I refer back to #8 and my thoughts regarding the Sisters of Mercy and the Dubbo Family History Group's records .... and various Stolen Generations reports.

I think in NSW an Aboriginal Protection Board was established in around 1885, and they took in children/infants and raised them as though they were orphaned.  I am fairly sure that they did not just take in children who were known to be of Aboriginal descent, but, at least in the early years after they were established, they simply took in children who, from the point of view of the civil law,  had no visible means of support.   I realise I am speculating, but I am sure you should at least consider that perhaps Sarah was taken into care and may have been raised by the Sisters of Mercy or by one of the other Church based organisations operating in those western districts in those times.   
 

Cheers,  JM