Esther CREIGHTON of Coonamble-criminal in 1880's & then what?

[Kylie B]

Hi there
Ok- enquiries now sent to Coonamble Anglican church again, to Coonabarrabran Anglican church, Dubbo re sistes of mercy, dubbo goal (just in case).

Will find contact details for local family history societies and give them a try, and also looking into if there is a researcher I can pay to visit and get copies of the Dependant childrens register entries for the children.

No chance with Coonamble gaol records as these are still held by dept of corrections and need 8 BMD certs to prove relationship...

As for possible marriages- these are what I have found...any ideas??
Which one first??
2805/1878  HERBERT  GEORGE  TAYLOR  SARAH J  COONABARABRAN 
5729/1882  FERGUSON  JAMES  TAYLOR  ALICE EDITH  COONABARABRAN 
6067/1883  MASON  HENRY G B  TAYLOR  ELLEN  COONABARABRAN 

That was a great idea JM - couldnt believe it when the Coonabarrabran ones came up - so fingers crossed now!!
Kylie

[majm]

Hi there,

My vote :

Sarah first ...  (least gap between possible birth and likely marriage = need for consent)

And I have been looking at registration numbers at Coonabarabran in 1875 .... ummm  and noticed that there could be something odd ....  I cannot find any for Coonamble ... it is as though an entire decade or more passed between marriages at Coonamble  (I picked groom name of John, and then on next attempt I picked SMITH for a surname) ...  It is guesstimating at its worst, sorry...

Cheers,  JM

[Kylie B]

Hi JM and Neil and Merlin
Have sent off for Sarah Taylor's Coonabarabran marriage transcript- looks like it might be a wait of 3 weeks or so.

Have found someone who may be able to go and view the Dependant Children's registers for me for a fee- in next 2-4 wks.

So lots of feelers out there....now we wait.

Merlin- are you also tracing this family since you have Esther and George's marriage cert??

I will be back in touch as soon as I hear anything from anywhere!!
And thanks again so much for all the wonderful help- I hope we get there

Kylie

[Kylie B]

Hello! Time for an update:

Heard from Coonamble- still no sign of PR for Esther and George...some confusion as to where ledgers are.
No response from Coonabarabran parish.
Coonamble Family History- checked court records, cemetery records for me- no sign of any of my Creightons or Taylors. They advise a decade or so of Coonamble's parish records were logged in Coonabarabran....so back to waiting for the parish there to reply.

Heard from Sisters of Mercy - they have no record of a Sarah Creighton amongst their children.

Got Sarah Jane Taylors marriage from 1878....and it is exactly like Esthers. No ages, no place of birth, no parents- nothing useful at all!!!! Only fact beyond names recorded were that the bride normally resided in Caigan (District of Coonabarabran) and her occupation was Domestic servant (same as Esther) and grooms occupation was Waggoner.  Married by the same person as Esther and George- a Henry Dicker. Googled him and he was priest in Coonamble around that time.

SO!!!! Seems to me we are not going to get any further without some contact from Coonabarabran parish clerk- and in the hopes they have the Coonamble registers for the time. And they have not responded.....

Kylie

[majm]

Hi and many thanks for the update.

Some more thoughts ... 

  try the family history group at Coona, they should be aware of those Parish Registers, fingers crossed they have met this type of enquiry before today 

Mr Geggle's search engine gives me these possible links 

http://www.heritageaustralia.com.au/links.php?browse=c&id=512
http://www.nnsw.com.au/coonabarabran/history.html
http://www.truelocal.com.au/business/coonabarbran-family-history-group-inc/coonabarabran

I do NOT recommend ordering any further mc for that area in that time frame until the parish registers are located 

Perhaps the Shire offices/Visitor Info Centre/Library etc may have some knowledge of the location of the parish registers?  http://www.warrumbungle.nsw.gov.au/ 

And yes, I agree we are not going to get much further without learning of the location those parish registers... 

Fingers and toes are crossed for you and for everyone interested in their own family history who has forebears who were married in that district in that era...

Many Cheers,

JM  PS RChat is running very slow here today

[majm]

Among the Australians who served on the Western Front during WWI was a chap, born at Mudgee, and who, when he enlisted was a Station Hand at Coonabarabran.  He was George Albert HERBERT, and his father, George HERBERT was his next of kin.  His parents were George and Sarah Jane Herbert, of Coonabarabran, New South Wales.


http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=20444 


LEST WE FORGET

[Kylie B]

Thanks JM
Looks like Sarah and George had quite a large family.

Still waiting to hear from Parish and family history groups out that way- really hoping someone knows where these ledgers are- and that they do turn out to have the info we are looking for. WOuld be such a shame if it turned out Henry Dicker didnt bother recording parents, ages etc....

ALso still waiting on Dependant Childrens Registers check re the children- long shot but maybe there will be more info on Esther in there....

Kylie

[majm]

Hi there,

At the Coonabarabran General Cemetery, Anglican Old Portion, plots 11, 12
“In Loving Memory of
My dear Wife & our Mother
SARAH JANE HERBERT,
Died 1st Sept 1905
Aged 46 Years.
Though lost to sight,
In Memory Dear.
Also EDWIN THOMAS
Son of above
Died 16th Oct 1900, aged 14 years.

NSW BDM births Edwin T Herbert registered at Gulgong to George and Sarah J  #27324
NSW BDM deaths  Sarah J Herbert, registered at Coonabarabran 1905 # 8537  parents recorded as Richard and Mary

NSW ER 1903 GWYDIR, polling at Coonabarabran, all with surname HERBERT
Amy Jane, of Coonabarrabran , domestic duties
George, of Woodland Valley, farmer
George Albert, of Coonabarrabran, labourer
Sarah Jane, domestic duties, of Woodland Valley
William John, of Woodland Valley, labourer

That roll as 545 people listed so I have looked for any with given name Esther 
Esther McEwan, domestic duties, , no others with that spelling of the surname , HOWEVER, I did notice a George Busby McEwen, an auctioneer.   Also, none Creighton nor Whalan etc.

So, now to look to see if there’s any clues re Richard and Mary Taylor giving any link to Esther Creighton nee Taylor.

  Rev Henry Dicker was required to keep his registers safe, and also to record ALL the details  .

Cheers,  JM.

[majm]

Re Richard Taylor  that's a conundrum, there's too many on the indexes, and those names are from the online index for NSW BDM deaths, so the names are only as reliable as a) the informant's own knowledge and b) the interpretation of the handwritten summary by the transcriber who prepared the record for the index to be updated. 

I shall be patient and keep fingers crossed.   

Cheers,  JM