Rosehill Cottage, Wellingborough, mentioned in 1853 will, where was it situated?

[TicknerV]

Hi Sandy!

That explains it - Mike Brown and Jon-Paul Carr.

Small world of genealogy and local historians!!!

Vincent

[TicknerV]

Dear all,

I thought I had seen the photo of David Dulley that Sandy put up on October 18th. I have just found copies of it in my files. The problem is, however, that it may not be of David Dulley (1773-1853), but of the son of William Dulley (1797-1880), namely David Dulley (1833-1905). I have notes on two different reproductions of it, one saying that it was drawn about 1890, the other saying it was drawn about 1893, but representing the younger David Dulley, who died in 1905. This needs to be checked out more fully, perhaps with Wellingborough Museum or with Jon-Paul Carr.

regards,

Vincent

[seahall]

Hi Vincent.

Sorry you dis-agree with who the photo is.

Jon Paul no longer works at the Museum for quite some years now.

I will check the article in full to see if I am mistaken.

I WAS. SORRY.
Sandy

[MajorD]

Hi Keith

I've determined that Rose Hill Cottage is a sizable property, now flats, in London Road near to a solicitors.  This link has it grade II listed from 1970 when it was already converted to its current use:    http://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-233778-rose-hill-flats-1-2-and-3-10-wellingboro

There is nothing on the building to show that it is / was called Rose Hill but the 1899 OS map has it clearly marked as that.

You can probably get as much as you need from Google Maps / Street View but I've put a few of their images together which might help to give some context in addition to the ones I've already attached so if it's any help PM me I'll mail them to you.

Unfortunately there is a possible alternative as I notice that the 1851 Census also shows a William Dulley (born Kimbolton, Hunts [or Kimbolton, Hungary if you believe Ancestry's transcription  ]), brewer and employer, in Sheep Street - next door to an Innkeeper / farmer.  This has to be the Golden Lion which was originally built as a farmhouse and converted to the pub that it still is in the C19th.  This puts William in "Rose Cottage" (also a listed building and currently home to a firm of solicitors).  Assuming that your aged David Dulley had retired from the brewing business and that William had taken over:  the original Castle Lane entrance to Dulley's Brewery / Baths (which is now the unused back entrance to the Museum - see picture) neatly bisects the 150 or so yards between "Rose Hill" and "Rose Cottage".

The London Road address looks pretty certain though as the alley down the side of that building terminates in a gated wall which has a "Rose Hill" sign attached together with a no parking sign pointing to the flat entrance to the rear (ahem.. I took a photo of that as well but I haven't figured out my new camera and the shot out of the dark alley whited the sign out so it looked completely blank - I'll try again if it's of any interest).

Finally, I tried to figure out where in the High Street David may have been living, but the disappearance of all the yards referred to in the census together with the enumerator's refusal to provide any useful information like pub names (of which there were plenty) means I can't even be sure which side of the road I should be looking at.

Hope this helps

Ian

[Keith Sherwood]

Ian,
This is quite marvellous - although this thread had flourished, with all sorts of exciting information about the DULLEY family, I'd sort of become resigned to the possibility that the location of Rosehill Cottage would never be truly be discovered.
Thank you so much for spending the time on unravelling its mysteries.  I am sure that both Sandy and Vincent, who have proved invaluable in this trail of discovery, will be very interested in your post...
very many thanks indeed, keith
p.s. What a handsome dwelling it was/is too, rather large to be termed a "cottage", in fact...

[seahall]

Hi Ian.

Welcome to Rootschat. 

I have now read through the article I got about David Dulley and it says
it is a picture of David Dulley from a 1893 drawing.

We could have asked on the brilliant restoration board the period
but now I realise I was wrongly informed on the in-correct David.

So sorry for that.

Now Ian please correct me if I am wrong.

Rose Cottage was in front of the Brewery in Sheep Street besides
the Dulley Swimming Pool (visit it often).

This means from other information that it is now the Swansgate
Shopping Centre and therefore the other side of "The Golden Hind"
and has the Swan Brewery Sign at the front entrance to the Centre.

Sandy

[seahall]

Keith.

I was nattering to Jon Paul today.  and he told me that the author
of Brewed in Northants was at the Library in Nov 2010, not this
year as I previously thought.

Sorry for confussion.

Sandy

[MajorD]

Hi Sandy

The brewery covered the southern end of Sheep St., more or less terminating at Swanspool Brook and the majority of the land it occupied is now the Swansgate's multi-storey car park.  This doesn't extend laterally as far as the main shopping centre (ie south-west) and the buildings which front on to Sheep Street are intact between Commercial Way and Castle Way (the exit from the car park is a slip road between those two, cutting directly behind the these buildings). 

Therefore, right at the bottom of Sheep Street, The Golden Lion is directly opposite Doddington Road and Rose Cottage is immediately adjacent looking back up Sheep Street towards the Swansgate.

Clear as mud?

nb  All of this has reminded me that as kids we were always tempted to slide down steep concrete ramps to the waste ground where the brewery had stood.  I remember them as just unprotected holes in the big wall along the north side and terminating some way above the ground (which is presumably why we didn't go down them - no way back out).  Never occurred to me before but they were probably barrel runs to an upper storey access.  No idea when the brewery ceased production but it suggests the land wasn't used for anything else until the Swansgate was built.

Ian

[seahall]

Hi Ian.

I bow to your better knowledge than my own.

Thank you for explaining it, so it is getting clearer about
where the Cottage stood now.

Sandy