Phoebe ROSTRON nee BEVAN

[majm]

Hi there,

Red Post,  I see Debra and Judith are both also alerting you to "Constance"

From the NSW BDM online index, Phobe S BEVAN married George ROSTRON in 1884, and the marriage was registered for NYMAGEE, the reference no. #4743.

From the NSW ER 1903, THE DARLING, polling at Nymagee
ROSTRON Phoebe Constance, at Tara Station, at her domestic duties
BEVAN, James Says, Nymagee, cook
BEVAN, Rosa Bolton, Nymagee, domestic duties
BEVAN, William Says, Nymagee, labourer
NO sighting of George Rostron enrolled to vote at Nymagee.

Relying on my memory, I think that Nymagee is about 60 miles south east of Cobar.  

Chezza60, please have another good look at Phoebe's m.c. and confirm if her middle initial is "S" or if it is "C", if in any doubt, (the late 19thC handwriting can be full of flourishes and difficult to read) please consider posting a snip of a section on the RChat decipher board at this link :
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,425.0.html

My friend has returned my phone call, she transcribed some of the marriages in the Coonabarabran district, but none in the Nymagee district.

So, you have some choices
a) don't try to establish detail for Phoebe's parentage/birthplace from her mc
b) contact the C of E to establish where the parish record from Nymagee's C of E is currently held
c) contact a family history group from that area to see if they know of the location of those parish records, or if they hold transcripts from the local parish register

My usual starting points would be  Mr Google is your friend ...  
  Cobar Shire Library http://www.cobar.nsw.gov.au/our-town-and-shire/library  they would know of the family history group's contact details.   I think the group out there is known as Cobar Genealogy Group Inc.
  Anglican Church Diocese Of Bathurst Cobar, Barton Street, Cobar, NSW 2835
The Diocese of Bathurst Cobar is very extensive, covers more than Dubbo Orana, North Western NSW, Outback NSW

Cheers,  JM
 

 

[Dundee]

Possibly James' birth in the UK in 1845, son of Henry Seys BEVAN.  The 1851 census shows Henry, widower, a brewer and victualler, his mother Jane, and son James.

Debra 

[judb]

Free BMD shows this birth:

June qr 1845
James Seys BEVAN, registered  Neath, Vol 26 p466

And I wonder if this is Rosa in 1851 - the parent names match those on her death cert.

Cannot read what I assume to be the name of the house,
Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Thomas Earle   40 Landed Proprietor b City of Bristol
Jane Matilda Earle   50 Landed Proprietor b Rochester, Kent
Ada Matilda Earle   20 at home, b Chepstow, Monmouth
Clara Jane Earle   15 at home, , b Bridgewater, Somerset
Rosa Earle   11 scholar, b Bridgewater, Somerset
Thomas Bollen Earle    9 scholar, b Bridgewater, Somerset
Ann Edwards   18 servant

Possibly her birth
June qr 1839
Rosa    EARLE reg Bridgwater   Vol 10 p338

Victorian immigration shows a Rosa EARLE on Unassisted passenger lists; Fiche 160, p   009
Rosa EARLE, 19
Arrival: 15 Mar 1859, into Melbourne from Liverpool on the Monica
Nationality:   English and Welsh

There is also another entry for a  Rosa EARLE arriving a couple of years earlier but I cannot seem to locate it on PROV  - probably not looking carefully
Rosa Earle, 14
Arrival: 23 Oct 1857 to Port Phillip Bay, Australia, from Gravesend on the Kent
Nationality:   English

[~MERLIN~]

There is also another entry for a  Rosa EARLE arriving a couple of years earlier but I cannot seem to locate it on PROV  - probably not looking carefully
Rosa Earle, 14
Arrival: 23 Oct 1857 to Port Phillip Bay, Australia, from Gravesend on the Kent
Nationality:   English

PROV has it listed as:

EARL ROSA 14yrs OCT 1857 KENT B 134 004

[judb]

Thanks Merlin - trying to do it too late at night!!

I see there is an older man George EARL, 60.  on the same passenger list as the younger Rosa Earl (on the Kent).  The girl on the Monica would seem to be more likely, speculation again 

Judith

[majm]

Hi there,

I notice that Judith at reply #29 wonders if that is Rosa Earle on the 1851 UK Census ....  I think this is very likely, simply because of one of the younger siblings middle names .... Thomas Bollen  ... I notice that in (reply #28) 1903 Rosa's middle name is on the Electoral Roll, and it is recorded there as Bolton, and from a transcriber's view, there is not much difference between BOLLEN and BOLTON.   I also notice that the NSW BDM online Index gives Rosa's 1883 marriage to James S Bevan registered at Cobar as Rosa B (perhaps as in Bolton  ) (#4055)   Hopefully I am not duplicating information, but the NSW BDM online index for the 1914 d.c. of a Rosa B Bevan gives her parents as Thomas P and Jane M. (#10768) which again supports Judith's #29 post.


It is likely that the NSW BDM mc (BEVAN=EARLE) will be lacking in the detail of her parentage, her age etc, but perhaps it would be worthwhile to obtain a transcript of that mc to then provide the date, denomination etc AND then combine the quest to find the elusive blanks from Phoebe's marriage (ROSTRON = BEVAN) with a question or three as to Rosa's and James parentage. 

As yet I have not found James Seys BEVAN arriving at any port in Australia.  I wonder if he went firstly to NZ.   

Cheers,  JM

[Dundee]

Perhaps chezza60 has already followed up on the Vic immigration record - I cannot have a look at the originals at the mo as apparently PROV have withdrawn permission for Ancestry to use the images.

I think James was still at Briton Ferry, Wales in 1861 living as a boarder at the Villiers Arms with the DAVENPORT family.  Next door is his grandmother, Jane Seys BEVAN with her daughter Ann STAMFORD, a victualler. This pub isn't named but in a later census it is the Dock Tavern.  The Villiers Arms seems to be the only pub still there today.  James' father Henry remarried in 1853 to Elizabeth EDWARDS or Elizabeth THOMAS.  Can't see Henry as a victualler in 1861.

Debra 

[majm]

Hope I am not duplicating info already posted

Rosa Earle’s birth possibly registered Second quarter of 1839, at Bridgwater, Somerset, GRO Vol 10, pg 338

1841 UK Census has at Cornhill, Bridgwater, Somerset   HO107/971/ 3
Thomas Earle,31, an Auctioneer, not born in the county
Jane Earle, 36, not bc
Adah, (female) Earle 10, not bc
Clare/a Earle 5, bc
Rosa Earle, 2, bc
Robert Earle 18, Accountant bc
Elizabeth Boulting 18, bc  (I wonder if that could be a mis heard "Bolton")

Edit to Add ... Thomas Bolton EARLE birth registered 3rd quarter 1841 at Bridgwater, GRO Vol 10, pg 310.

Cheers,  JM

[chezza60]

Hi Judb,

Didn't realise that so much info had happened since I last read my mail yesterday.
I think this may be my Rosa as she did arrive in Melbourne in 1859 at the age of 19.
I have Rosa's death cert in front of me hard to read yet mothers name is Jane Matilda Bolton father Thomas ? Earle.
Thankyou for the info.
Still a big question mark as to where Phoebe Rosa's daughter came from?