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Re: Mayes family descendants in Oz
« Reply #27 on: Friday 07 October 11 01:06 BST (UK) »
..... Lastly in 2001 a lady called suzanne posted a request for news on her great aunty Caroline Cassin who married William Greeley Mayes - If she is reading this please contact as I can fill in the detail

Hi there,

May I ask if you know that these people are no longer living. 

I can see on the Ryerson Index that the SMH notices for 9 April 2001 include one for a Caroline Lucy MAYES d o d 6 April 2001.  She was late of Hurstville. 

The Ryerson Index is compiled by volunteers.  Not all funerals/deaths are noted in newspapers, sometimes families direct funeral directors to NOT insert notices. 

EDIT TO ADD These notices are placed in the Classifieds (Advertisements), and there are fees/charges for the Classifieds.

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Re: MAYES family descendants in Oz
« Reply #28 on: Friday 07 October 11 01:23 BST (UK) »
On the "Request a lookup" link on  Ryerson Index there is now a link to google news archives which they recommend that you try first.

On the Google News Archive, not all editions have been digitised.  Very often those that are available are missing the last page.  However, sometimes (but not always) if you look at the next edition, you will find to the left of the first page, an image of the last page of previous issue (containing the deaths).

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Re: MAYES family descendants in Oz
« Reply #29 on: Friday 07 October 11 01:33 BST (UK) »
Hi

Can we return to core Mayes Family - can't find death of Kathleen M Hill nee Mayes also am new to Ryerson Index but can't find several death announcements - I go to the correct date for SMH annd find either there is no paper for that day or that the right day does not include the stated announcement -  Help please - that goes for several that you have mentioned in connection with Byrd - Bissell , Walters etc

Next what happened to Mr Hugh Thompson & his wife Mary who travelled with Jeanie Oliver Mayes who entered on the Afric in 1913 ?
Need suggestions on how toidentify the next generation down ?

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Hi there,


Page 24 of the SMH for Thurs 22 Feb 1968  TWO notices.

MAYES, Jeanie Oliver,.  February 20, 1968, at hospital, late of 150 Queens Street, Concord West  dearly beloved wife of the late Thomas Graham Mayes and loved mother of Albert (deceased), Molly (deceased),  [eight further names,  female, male, male, male, male, female, female, female, JM declines to post these names as they may still be living,] fond mother in law, loved grandmother and great-grand-mother of their families, aged 85 years.

MAYES.  The Relatives and Friends of the late Mrs Jeanie Oliver Mayes of Concord West are kindly invited to attend her Funeral to leave St Andrew’s Church of England, Concord Road, Strathfield,. This Day, Thursday, after service commencing at 1:30 pm for the Rookwood Crematorium.   
Metropolitan Burial and Cremation Society, Railway Pde, Burwood.

The Sydney Morning Herald offers an archive service for the newspaper,
1955-1990 ... gives digitial reproduction of the paper from 1955-1990.
1990-Present gives text options.
There are fees involved, I think it is around $15 for a one day subscription and $20 for two days. 
http://www.smh.com.au/fairfaxarchives/

NSW residents with Reader Cards from NSW State Library currently have (without charges) access via their Reader Card to the SMH archives to 1955-1990.

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Re: MAYES family descendants in Oz
« Reply #30 on: Friday 07 October 11 03:31 BST (UK) »
Electoral rolls show Rowland Francis HILL and Kathleen Muriel HILL at 40 Nelson Street, Parramatta from 1936-1968.  Prior to that Roland (sic) Francis HILL is listed alone at Waverley and Bondi.  He was an engineer on all listings.  Kathleen Muriel is still at the same address in 1980.  Electoral rolls for that district are not included on Ancestry for 1972 and 1977.

It is perhaps Rowland's death registered in 1980 in NSW. 

There were two others with this name (RFH), one in Queensland, a farmer, and a tailor in Tasmania.

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Re: MAYES family descendants in Oz
« Reply #31 on: Friday 07 October 11 04:24 BST (UK) »
And (thanks to this thread which has opened doors/windows to the Ryerson index for me) perhaps the 1996 listing in this index is the one for Kathleen Muriel Hill
Hallidays of Northowram, Roberts of Hovingham, Stampers of Kirkdale, Cocks of Mary Tavy Devon, Cocks of Redruth Cornwall, Manser of Sussex, Axel of East Sussex, Palmer of East Sussex, Hermitage of Sussex, Smale of Kent, Haddon of Devon, Cuthill of Kinross-shire, Lynn of Ireland, Seymour of Cork

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« Reply #32 on: Friday 07 October 11 07:30 BST (UK) »
SMH 7 June 1980, page 128
HILL, Roland Francis, June 5 1980 at hospital, beloved husband of Kathleen and dearly loved father and father in law of (female & male; Male and female; female and male) and loved grandfather of their children

SMH 7 June 1980, page 128
HILL  The funeral service for the late Roland Francis Hill will be held in the east chapel of the Northern Suburbs Crematorium, on Monday June 9, 1980, appointed to commence at 10 am.  Please assemble at the crematorium.
(funeral directors) Gregory & Carr,(of)  Gordon.

Cheers,  JM
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Re: MAYES family descendants in Oz
« Reply #33 on: Friday 07 October 11 09:28 BST (UK) »
This is for all the kind people who have helped me - obviously I have used a tone that has been misread - certainly not intended !   So big apologies ..

I have followed your advice to use Ryerson index and I have found the references which say published on a certain day I have then used the Google lookup to try and view the printed entry . All I am saying is that even when there is a publishing entry sometimes I have been unable to view the entry ,either no paper available or when examined I have not been able to view the entry -  I put this down to my lack of skill - not a reflection on someone's hard work for which I am most grateful, and I would do the same over here if requested. :)

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Re: MAYES family descendants in Oz
« Reply #34 on: Friday 07 October 11 09:51 BST (UK) »
On the "Request a lookup" link on  Ryerson Index there is now a link to google news archives which they recommend that you try first.

On the Google News Archive, not all editions have been digitised.  Very often those that are available are missing the last page.  However, sometimes (but not always) if you look at the next edition, you will find to the left of the first page, an image of the last page of previous issue (containing the deaths).

regards,
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I  came across the request for news on Wm Greeley Mayes via google -it was submitted 10 years ago so I have commented that if the person enquiring should contact me I can share as much as I know . 10  years is a long time and so I  have no idea if the email address is still valid or if the person enquiring is still around - I hope so 

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« Reply #35 on: Friday 07 October 11 10:09 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

Apologies for the long post, which is a brief sketch of how I currently think about family history searchings  to help people seeking info about Australia's way of operating.  Hopefully other RChatters will pick up anything I have got wrong or overlooked.

Importantly, there are no census records available for any of our 20th Century census, so it is very difficult to establish if person A is related to any other person without first obtaining a BDM certificate. 

BDM certificates are issued by the relevant state body in which the event was registered, this is because those civil instrumentalities were created in the colonies long before the six colonies were federated at the dawn of the 20th century by an Act of the English Parliament, signed by Queen Victoria.

Each state has a different approach to the release of information on those certificates, and there are closure periods that restrict who may obtain the more current ones.  For example in NSW birth certificates for anyone born less than 100 years ago are not open to the general public to purchase.   Marriage certs the closure period is 50 years for NSW, and deaths it is 30 years for NSW.  Different states have different closure periods.  However, many of the states certificates contain a great deal of significant family history information, much richer and deeper than say English certs, more akin to the depth of info in Scottish certs.  I realise that English certificates contain much less information and are much more readily available.

To work around those closure periods, I tend to rely on directories, electoral rolls, and newspaper cuttings.  Some electoral rolls are uploaded via the commercial websites, but I also have off line resources, including electoral rolls for the decades before WW1, as have many other RChatters who help on the Aussie Board. 

Any NSW d.c. should give you not just the person’s d o d, but also the cause of, and the burial/cremation details, including funeral directors.  Many funeral director firms have been in existence since federation 1901 or earlier, and their records often include the details for who paid for the funeral, their then address etc.  Death certs also show the deceased’s parents names (including nee name and any former names of the mother), the age of the deceased, place of birth, spouse, when married, and the children of the marriage/s and their ages, noting any deceased.  Of course any information on a dc is only as reliable as the informant’s own knowledge, but the informant’s details showing relationship if any to the deceased are also found on the dc (my remarks relate specifically to NSW). 

On the Australian Resources Board there are links to many different resources available in each of the states/territories of Australia.  Here’s the main link : http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369775.0.html

If any of your elusive people saw military service with any branch of the Australian Defence Forces, then the National Archives of Australia has a grand resource, records that are often already digitised, or can be digitised, these are very often many pages long, containing enlistment papers, physical descriptions, next of kin, and correspondence, some WWII records include photos.

If you are considering purchasing any NSW BDM certificates, I recommend you use any of the official transcription agents, appointed by the NSW BDM Registrar General’s office.  These transcriptions contain all the information found on the official real deal certificates, they are much less expensive, and can be sent by email as an attachment (eg pdf). The details about transcription agents is found at RChat’s NSW resources board within the one linked above.

Hope this long post helps to get you RUNNING rather than walking or crawling.

Here’s a link to another very good RChat thread, prepared to help people seeking assistance in their Australian family history. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,368728.msg2632620.html#msg2632620

Of course, Australia’s various states and territories have their own privacy legislation/rules/guidelines, and so too does RChat, so a simple rule that I try to follow is
Unless I know for certain that a particular person is no longer living, or they would be at least 110 years of age, it is best not to write their name in any post.

Many cheers,  JM
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