Margaret Hannah Riches born 1857 Norfolk

[Arquebus]

If anyone has information relating to the abovementioned person, particularly marriage details, I would be grateful.

I am currently researching her husband's (John Woods) line trying to identify who his parents were.

AL.

[KGarrad]

FreeBMD gives the birth as:

March qtr 1857
Mutford district    vol 4a, page 682
Riches, Margaret Hannah

And this looks like her and her family in 1861?
Reference RG09, Piece 150, Folio 12, Page 18
Alfred Cottage, Alfred Place, Hornsey Road, Islington

Riches, Edward  Head  M  36  Journeyman Brick Layer  b Brook, Norfolk
Riches, Hannah  Wife  F  36  b Brook
Riches, Roseannah  Daughter  F  15  b Brook
Riches, Henry  Son  M  11  b Ditchingham, Norfolk
Riches, John  Son  M  9  b Bungay, Suffolk
Riches, Margaret  Daughter  F  3  b Swainsthorpe, Norfolk
Riches, Alice  Daughter  F  11 months  b Islington

[lizdb]

Marriage

Jul/Aug/Sep 1881
Norwich ref 4b 253

MArgaret Hannah Riches /  John Woods on same page

Does he give a father's name on marriage cert?

[Arquebus]

Thanks both for the information....very useful.
 
I have managed to obtain the Woods / Riches marriage date as September 1881 but as yet not got the wedding certificate.......

I was hoping to get a confirmation of John Woods' father before I started getting the certs, just in case I had got the wrong John Woods!!

Searches on the three main names in my family are a bit of a pain......Woods, Howe, Enfield.......

Search Woods on Google and I'll get a timber merchant or something...

Howe gives me 'How do I clean my carburettor?'

and Enfield is a town near Ponders End!!!!

Thanks again, AL.

[lizdb]

The most reliable source for John Woods's father will be the marriage cert - you KNOW that will be the right John Woods, as you know the right one married MArgaret.
Looking for random John Woods in earlier censuses (and it isnt exactly a rare name) may produce some possibles, but how will you know which if any are the right one?

After the marriage, have you got MArgaret and John on the censuses, that will at least give you an approx year and place of birth for him, which might suggest some possibles from earlier censuses.

[lizdb]

Is THIS the right family?

1891 RG12 1531 84 24
Heigham, Norfolk
John Woods 31 Commercial Printer
MArgaret 31
John A 8
Edward C 6
Frank W 4
Margaret L 1 all bn Norwich

OR is THIS the right family? (less likely, as further away)
1891  RG12 1513 38 16
Hindolveston
John Woods 41 Ag Lab
MArgaret 38
Charles 10
Herbert 9
Ethel 7
Lillie 5 all bn Hindolvesotn

[Arquebus]

Is THIS the right family?

1891 RG12 1531 84 24
Heigham, Norfolk
John Woods 31 Commercial Printer
MArgaret 31
John A 8
Edward C 6
Frank W 4
Margaret L 1 all bn Norwich

OR is THIS the right family? (less likely, as further away)
1891  RG12 1513 38 16
Hindolveston
John Woods 41 Ag Lab
MArgaret 38
Charles 10
Herbert 9
Ethel 7
Lillie 5 all bn Hindolvesotn

The ones in bold red above are the correct ones.....The problem with John Woods is that he may be Lewis John Woods or John Money Greenacre Woods (I think he may be the former)......or just just plain old John Woods.

If he is L J Woods, then I believe his father is also a John Woods.....I guess it's a case of speculate and get some marriage certs.


Thanks again, AL.

[lizdb]

Are you not sure of that marriage then?

If you are sure, then as I said before, getting the cert will be better than specualting! Saves money and time in thelong run to ensure you are on the right line.

If you are not sure, then start with a child's birth cert to get a maiden name for Margaret. If it is Riches, then you are on the right track.
If not, then dont waste your money on that marriage cert!

WHere do the other possible names for John come from?

(PS Johns occupation in 1891 is commercial porter, not printer - my mistake!  Looking at 1881 just before the marriage there is one John Woods who is a cab driver  which might be him, with widowed mother. But best to get his marriage cert, find his father and work back one step at a time)

[Arquebus]

The 1861 Census gives a Lewis John Woods born 1860 Heigham, so you can see why I think the 'Lewis' may have been dropped. Father given as John R Woods and Mother Sophia.

I hope the marriage certificate of John and Margaret does actually give John's father's name, given that it appears he was dead by the time of the marriage........

I have just had a rather lot of fun (joke) with another bit of research where a son has given his deceased father's name which we know to be completely incorrect.

Thanks AL