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South Australia-William Robert PACEY
« on: Saturday 01 October 11 23:53 BST (UK) »
My great grandfather, William Robert Pacey arrived in  SA in 1849. He was born in East Stoke, Nottinghamshire in 1838.  He went to Victoria about 1851 and was married there in 1858 to Mary Jane McCarthy. Lived in Castlemaine. Then came to NZ in 1862.
I can't find any record of how he came to Australia and who with.  There is a
William who was a convict, but not the right one!   His death certificate gives his fathers name as Gilbert. Can't find him either.

Can anyone help please !!

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Re: South Australia-William Robert PACEY
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 02 October 11 00:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Anne :)

Welcome to rootschat :)

South Australia was not a penal colony. 

His name doesn't appear in the available online resources
http://www.familyhistorysa.info/shipping/passengerlists.html
http://www.theshipslist.com/index.html

There are more resources links here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,280572.msg1152619.html#msg1152619

Cheers :)
Cando
                 
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Re: South Australia-William Robert PACEY
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 02 October 11 01:02 BST (UK) »
Hi
You say he arrived in SA in 1849, you cant find any record of how he arrived in SA. So how do you know where and when he arrived? How do you know the convict was not him, they often told misleading stories after their sentence expired.
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Re: South Australia-William Robert PACEY
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 02 October 11 02:07 BST (UK) »
Family stories are often quite difficult to validate as they either become inaccurate or embellished over the years.  Perhaps you may like to share the source of your information :)

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He went to Victoria about 1851 and was married there in 1858 to Mary Jane McCarthy.

This certificate would also give you the name of his parents.  Perhaps his father was a witness?

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

Marriage
PACEY William
McCARTHY Mary
1856  Reg#3103

I can't locate him on the 1841 census with a father Gilbert however there are a number of Wm's that could be him if perhaps the name of his father is not correct.

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Re: South Australia-William Robert PACEY
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 02 October 11 05:04 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your replies.

Most of my information comes from the NZ Cyclopedia of Otago and Southland
1904 -an article on William Robert who owned a coalmine in the area.  I presume he was interviewed for the article as he died in 1911.

I have checked out the marriage entry image and there was no info other than their names.  Do I need to order the actual certificate?  NZ marriages in the early 1800s were also short on detail.

The convict was 17 yrs old when he arrived and my Will was only 11 so I was
thinking he would have come with his family and that's what I have been trying to find. 

Anne

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Re: South Australia-William Robert PACEY
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 02 October 11 07:40 BST (UK) »
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Most of my information comes from the NZ Cyclopedia of Otago and Southland
1904 -an article on William Robert who owned a coalmine in the area.  I presume he was interviewed for the article as he died in 1911.

Thank you.  Valuable resources however I have found with my own family that there were errors.  I sense that in the case of my great grandfather, my great grandmother either forgot or was remiss in mentioning some information, which I feel was an important part of his life.  He died prior to a similar publication in Victoria.  The information was submitted and I think there would have been a fee to help defray publishing costs.  I have a bit of a giggle at my gggrandfather's entry....long rambling sentences and an emphasis on his successful business...many times ::) ::)

When you say 'I have checked out the marriage entry image' do you mean you purchased and immediately downloaded the image of the certificate from
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

Civil reg was introduced in Vic in 1853 and I would have thought there would have been detail on the marriage certificate.

From Australian Resources and offers...Info on marriage certificates in Victoria

Marriages
 Date and place of marriage;
 name and surnames;
 conjugal condition, whether bachelor or spinster, widow or widower,
 stating date of decease of former wife or husband;
 children by each former marriage;
 birthplace;
 occupation;
 age;
 residence (present and usual);
 parent's names of each party (including mother's maiden name) and occupation of father;
 signatures of the parties and witnesses;
 signature of Minister. Prior to 1963 the date of termination of previous marriages of  the parties is also shown.


Where were they married?  Who were the witnesses?  Could you perhaps type up ALL the information please?

There were other PACEY's in Vic at the time and one was from Lincolnshire and East Stoke, Nottinghamshire was part of a registration district which included an area of Lincolnshire.

Have you attempted to find Wm on the 1841 census? A family in the 1841 census in East Stoke parish had a Wm but he was born c1837 ie 4 years of age.  I'll have to have another look but there was a family with a son Robert as well as a Wm....can't recall the father's name...but definitely not Gilbert.  A quick search on IGI doesn't bring up any Gilbert PACEY's in that era.

Cheers
Cando
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Re: South Australia-William Robert PACEY
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 02 October 11 23:28 BST (UK) »
Thanks Cando

This morning I went to the link you gave me and got the proper certificate!
I knew death certificates were not a good source but didn't realise how inaccurate they can be!   Here is the info :

William Pacey - batchelor - Stoke, Nottingham, England, labourer -22 - father William Pacey,farmer, mother Sarah Chester  ( pretty sure, hard to read)

Mary McCarthy -spinster -Co Cork, Ireland-housemaid -21- father William McCarthy, mother Margaret Mahoney

witnesses - David Patterson and Bridget Bolton.

This puts his DOB as 1835 not 1838 as it said in the article.  I had checked out the 1841 census but there were several Wms.  Now with the right parents I may have more luck.

Thanks again

Cheers
Anne

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Re: South Australia-William Robert PACEY
« Reply #7 on: Monday 03 October 11 05:07 BST (UK) »
So pleased you purchased the certificate.  Makes research so much easier....as long as the info is accurate :)

Hope you find something on the 1841 census.  I've had a quick search on IGI for possible parish records but nothing.  If you would like help with Wm's mother's maiden name, perhaps you could post a snip on the board.

Cheers
Cando
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Re: South Australia-William Robert PACEY
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 19 October 11 22:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Cando,
Hope this is the right way to do this after a time lapse!  I went looking for Sarah Chester and couldn't find her, so I put a request on the Nottinghamshire board and they found a marriage :

William Pacey of East Stoke age 21 & Elizabeth Chester of Stapleford age 21
married by licence 16 May 1832 - witnesses Richard Gilbert & Anne Chester.

His parents were Thomas Pacey & Sarah Gilbert married 6 Jan 1810 East Stoke.

Children of Wm & Elizabeth : Robert Gilbert born 15 Feb 1835
                                              Anne Frances    "     20 apr 1836

You mentioned there were other Paceys in Vic from East Stoke & Lincolnshire, do any of these names tie up?

Thanks Anne