Help Request : William Edwards (Ysgeifiog)

[ChrisEdwardsUSA]

Thanks Jo!, potentially another few generations to be discovered then.....

Are these Parish registers just available on micro-fiche in Hawarden?, or is there any other way to access them?

Chris

[Rah1980]

They are available on microfiche in Hawaren, National Library of Wales and Cefn Mawr (Clwyd Family History Society) or you can purchase from Clwyd FHS transcribed copies of the parish records. I have these transcribed copies but the problem is your not going to know which John Edwards is yours if any, it worries me that there is no marriage for John to Anne Luke and despite the fact that I have now purchased the records for Ysceifog between 1813-1910 I could find no more than the two children I had already found pre 1813. Perhaps you could try finding the couple on the census first to see if you can identify where they are from.

Sarah 

[ChrisEdwardsUSA]

Sarah : thank you for the tip & information. As suggested I have spent some time looking for John & Ann in the census records.

For some reason 1841 did not turn up anything useful, but in 1851 I did manage to find a John (70, B.Holywell), & Ann (71, B.Ysgeifiog).

So whilst there is a match on names / locations, and ages are about right, we obviously have no resident children to cross-reference. One assumes that if this Ann were from Ysgeifiog you would have identified a record of the marriage, on the basis it would have been customary to marry in her parish church..... I guess the marriage event would have been in the range of 1800-1808.... but I wonder where?.....

Chris

[Rah1980]

I am as sure as I can be that Ann is not from Ysceifiog, she is easier to trace back as she has an unusual surname, and there was no marriage in Ysceifiog or baptism for her, I do have some other local records so will have a look at the neighbouring parishes I have (Holywell, Trelawnyd, Nannerch and I mite have Whitford) but to be honest she could be from anywhere! Perhaps if any other member holds local records they might look in theirs for the marriage. I do hate brick walls lol

[ChrisEdwardsUSA]

.... I do hope that this is not the brick wall / end of the road that it may be, I was hoping to get comfortably into the 1700's....

[Rah1980]

Had a bit of a scout round to see what other info I can find on the family so I have already listed some siblings for Sophia Parry but I now have some more and a couple of dates of death for the ones I'd already given you so complete list is :-

Priscilla 1805 - 25/4/1806 buried 28/4/1806
William 1806 - 1/4/1807 buried 4/4/1807
Alexander 1810 - died between 1813 - 1820
William 1812 (alive on census)
Priscilla baptised 11/6/1814 abode Pant
Thomas baptised 7/4/1816 abode Pant Y Diffaith
Alexander baptised 26/3/1820 abode Pant Y Diffaith
Edward baptised 16/2/1822 abode Pant Y Diffaith

Margaret with some children can be found on the 1841 and 1851 census, her birth is given as Anglesey so that is as far back as I can go with her, as for her husband John, it is unfortunately another needle in a haystack with a name like John Parry and no age and we can't even be sure he was born in Ysceifiog either

I did have a look for possible John's but there were quite a few, he could have been anything up to 30 years older than her, and bearing in mind John is highly likely to have named his eldest son after his father there are no William Parry's having a John that I could see at the rite approx time. I haven't got the Ysceifiog burials only monumental inscriptions and unfortunately the Parry family isn't in it, but if somebody looks up the burial at the records office (between 1822 and 1841) you might strike lucky with an age.

[Rah1980]

As you know William Edwards second wife Ann had 2 children, these were Lebbens Jones baptised 10/1/1841 bastard child of John Williams and David Jones baptised 17/5/1851 bastard child of David Jones

[Rah1980]

I think I've done all I can for now, I've checked the records I hold for Ann Luke with no success I'm affraid, her marriage and baptism will be out there somewhere, another rootschatter suggested Tremeirchon (don't think I've spelt that right lol). You may be able to follow Sophia's Parry brothers further, and you never know by tracing not just your direct line you might unearth a valuable piece of information on one of the census returns. If you need any further Ysceifiog look ups just let me know 

Sarah

[ChrisEdwardsUSA]

Thank you for all of your help Sarah, it is much appreciated.

I will take some time to ponder this additional information & work out where to take it next.....

I may even take a break from my Welsh paternal heritage for a few days and start to look at my maternal line.... the Artell family from Chester : hoping this may be slightly easier, given the uncommon surname....

Thanks again, I could not have got this far without the help of this rootschat community