Help Request : William Edwards (Ysgeifiog)

[wilcoxon]

1861
I can`t find Sophia in 1861, but there is this death.
Deaths Dec 1855   
Edwards  Sophia    Holywell  11b 180

Did he remarry again ?

[Jo Harding]

That is interesting Wilcoxon as I noticed what appeared to be the right William Edwards in later census returns but married/living with someone else.

The 1871 has William Edwards in 20 Bryn den Gurnw (?) Ysceifiog aged 60 and with Anne, wife, aged 49. This suggests to me that it was a second marriage at least. They have a son David Edwards, unm, aged 21, born Ysceifiog living there too. This appears to be the same place in Ysceifiog, Bryn.... that William was living in the 1851 census. RG10/5642 Folio 57 Page 4.

In the 1861 census, William Edwards, age 50, is living at 40 Brynden.....??, Ysceifiog, with Ann, wife, aged 44. They have others living with them shown as Lebbeus Jones, unm, age 19, Son In Law, Agricultural Labourer and David Jones, age 9, Son in Law, both born Ysceifiog.

David's age more or less agrees that with David Edwards, Son, in the 1871 census. Did he change his name to Edwards?

There is a couple on the 1881 census, William Edwards, age 68, born Ysceifiog and Anne Edwards, age 63, born Denbigh. The ages have wandered a bit but I suspect it is the same couple.

The maiden name of Anne appears to be Jones from the details given for the two people shown as Son in Law in the 1861 census. Marriages for William Edwards to Anne Jones on BMD are in the December quarter of 1855 in Holywell RD (a bit quick) but North Wales BMD shows this marriage in Ysceifiog, St Mary, so it looks possible.

Jo.

[wilcoxon]

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[wilcoxon]

 Bryndergwm  / Bryndegurn, Ysgeifiog
I think one of these may be the name of the place or maybe they are the same.
Both are from National Archives

Township: Bryndegurn, Parish: Ysgeifiog
Bryndergwm, Ysgeifiog, Flint,

[ChrisEdwardsUSA]

OK, so I have a little further information, but also a couple of questions....

Having contacted the Registry for the marriage certificate of Henry to Sophia, I found out that his father is named as John (which ties with one of the Baptisms identified by Sarah!)

So now the questions :
Marriage to Sophia confirmed in 1838, 1841 census shows William living with Sarah, 1851 census shows living with Sophia..... did he re-marry Sophia?, could Sophia be spelled incorrectly in 1841?, were there 2 William Edwards of the same age living in the same village (with 2 children sharing same names & ages)

I am thinking the next logical step is to see if there is a record of a marriage between William & Sarah, & to see if date of birth / father's name match?

If anyone can suggest other next steps, or can help identify the date / place for a marriage William&Sarah I would appreciate it.....

[Paul]

Hello, I'll be going to the archives tomorrow or Friday I'll take a quick look at the Ysgeifiog parish records.

Paul.

[ChrisEdwardsUSA]

Thanks Paul....

[Paul]

Ysgeifiog marriage May 12 1838.

Willaim Edwards(x). 30. bachelor. Occ, Miner. abode, Y Fron. Father, John. Occ, Miner.
Sophie Parry. 29. Occ, Employed in the papermill. abode, Lllyf?. Father, John. Occ, Slater.
Witnesses. Joseph Hughes & James Thomas.

Baptisms for children of William & Sophie Edwards.
Sep 3 1838. John.
May 13 1841. Richard.
March 13 1844. Harriet.
Sep 14 1845. Margaret.
March 23 1851. Ann.

Burials.
Harriet Edwards. Mg????yllan. May 22 1844. Infant.
Ann Edwards. Bryndeugwm. Sep 28 1851. Infant.
Sofia Edwards. Bryndeugwm. Nov 7 1855. Age 45 yrs.

Marriage Dec 22 1855.
William Edwards(x). full age. Widower. Labourer. Bryndeugwm. Father, John. Miner.
Anne Jones(x). full age. Spinster. Bryndeugwm. Father, Edward. Labourer.
Witnesses. Robert Jones & Evan Roberts.

Hope this helps.

Paul.

[Rah1980]

So now we are fairly certain, or as certain as this business ever gets that William is the son of John Edwards and Ann (nee Luke) they also had at least one more child John baptised and born on 23/11/1812, I can't see any other siblings suggesting that William was probably the eldest and they had more children post 1812 which I don't have the records of    I also looked for the marriage of the parents which I'd have thought would be approx 1808 but they didn't marry in Ysceifiog, if I remember i'll have a look in my Holywell records, the fact that they didn't marry their sggests Ann Luke was from a different parish and infact i've searched the index of my baptisms and there are no Luke's fullstop. So on to the Parry family...

Sophia Parry born 22 Jan 1808 baptised 24 Jan d/o John and Margaret (nee Gammach) abode P (index states P stands for)Prysey/Prusse (I've never heard of it but must be an area in the parish of Ysceifiog). Sophia's siblings are :-
William born 6/7/1812 baptised 18 July (mothers surname spelt Gamock)
Alexander born 1 March 1810 baptised 4 March (Gammock) abode given as Pant
William born 14 Nov 1806 baptised 19 Nov (Gammack) abode P
Priscilla born 12 June 1805 baptised 20 June (Gamoch)

John Parry and Margaret (signed Margreat) Gammack married by licence on 23 May 1805 both single and of parish witnessed by Edward Parry and Robert James. I'll see if I can go any further back later

Sarah