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Re: Help with marriage in Whitehave or Cleator 1813-1818
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 01 October 11 23:14 BST (UK) »
Sorry - should have said incl Joseph b 1859 Lamplugh (nr Arlecdon) son of John & Mary nee Jenkinson; James B 1872 Lamplugh; John b 1865; Mary b 1877;  Sarah B 1866;Nicholas b 1862; ? Jane b 1880; ? Elizabeth b 1874....big(ish) age gap between some children tho.....
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Re: Help with marriage in Whitehave or Cleator 1813-1818
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 02 October 11 00:18 BST (UK) »

 Hi Maryd,
                    I am extremely impressed with the feedback in this forum.

My John Kitchen G/Grandfather left UK in 1862 for Victoria. Father Henry b 13 mar 1789,

They could be related through Robert married march 1780 in Cleator to Isabella (nee Williamson)

THES ARE THE SONS
  and John could possibly be the son of Isaac Kitchen Bpstd.  2nd or 9th  July,1780 Cleator Cumberland or
Daniel Kitchen (Wath Cleator Moor) 29th October 1786.
 and my G/G/Grandfather Henry Kitchen bptsd  at Cleator (Wath Cleator Moor) 13 mar 1789, this is the marriage I am looking for he married a Martha (we believe Scott)

I have not pursued Isaac & Daniel at this stage.

Alan
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Re: Help with marriage in Whitehave or Cleator 1813-1818
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 02 October 11 11:55 BST (UK) »
Were Robert (1818), Margaret and Henry baptized in Egremont? The only one I can see on the IGI is John (1823) - mother not named. I've noticed a few times in the past that Egremont is poorly covered by the IGI.

I also found no trace of the marriage in the Lancs Marriage Bonds.

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Re: Help with marriage in Whitehave or Cleator 1813-1818
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 02 October 11 12:56 BST (UK) »

Thanks Stephen,

  According to the 1851 Census Robert (widowed)  Margaret & John all baptized Egremont.
1841 Census has Henry aged 10, John aged 14, and Isabella age 8 

  Robert not on 1841 census with his parents, nor Margaret.

1861 census Martha living in Hensingham as head of house and Robert her son there on the night of the Census with his 14 year old son Henry baptized in Low Mill

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Re: Help with marriage in Whitehave or Cleator 1813-1818
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 02 October 11 16:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Alan

If you don't get nything better I'll be in CRO at start of the week and I can see what other clues I can see.  Trouble with these rural parishes, many people didn't live where the church was, they wee oin the wilds in between and often wandering, so they turn up all over the show.  I'll see what I can see, but I'll have a better read of your posts.

Best wishes

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Re: Help with marriage in Whitehave or Cleator 1813-1818
« Reply #14 on: Monday 03 October 11 19:23 BST (UK) »
Hi Alan

Whoever mentioned Martha definitely knew something!

From Egremont parish register - original on microfilm:


Henry Kitchin  weaver and Martha Scott  Spinster marriedIn
by Banns eighteenth October 1813

ByWm Brown Curate

Neither signed

Witnesses William Leviston & Wm Combe or Coombe

(Both of this parish).  I notice Henry didn't actually say he was a bachelor, though Martha did say she was a spinster. 

Not sure what else you need but if I can help just say.

Best wishes

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Re: Help with marriage in Whitehave or Cleator 1813-1818
« Reply #15 on: Monday 03 October 11 20:24 BST (UK) »

  Thank you, Thank you.

 it was driving me nuts not being able to find a reference.  I will now order the Bishops Transcript for Egremont and get the baptisim dates for their children born in Egremont according to the 1851 census.
Robert about 1818
Margaret about 1822
JOHN b about 1827/8 (my G/Grandfather)
Henry about 1831
 Isabella about 1833

I am hoping to come to Whitehaven in 2013, and drag my two sons on a road trip ( both in their 40') they both enjoy a good ale and will look forward to possibly shouting a pint or two for the great people on this RootsChat who have helped me do some resarch from home in Oz.

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Re: Help with marriage in Whitehave or Cleator 1813-1818
« Reply #16 on: Monday 03 October 11 23:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Alan

You're very welcome!  Thank you for the kind response though!

It's lovely to get feedback!

If you like I can check the baptisms but I'll read back up the thread and see if there's anything you can't get in Australia.

The trip over sounds really exciting.  UYou'll be able to see all these places!

I wonder if there are any indications of a place in Egremont anywhere?

By the way, my own gg grandfather went over to Victoria, three years before your lot.  He definitely went for a job as it had been offered him before he left , but it may have been the lifestyle or ambition. 

Although they lost one child still born when they first got there, they had five more healthy children including my ggrandfather, all of whom made it back to England nine years or so later when he himself was ill.  Meanwhile my ggrandmother's family whop stayed in Lancashire had umpteen children but she watched five tiny siblings die by the age of five.

Australia was definitely kinder than that to them even with the sea voyage!

Good luck with the search!

Best wishes

Emms

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