St Asaph, 1881, 91 and 01... where are my rellies??

[Rachatfalcon]

hi there,

Wonder if some kind soul might be able to help me; I'm trying to do my hubby's family tree with him but I've reached a brickwall.

I'm looking for Thomas VAUGHAN and Elizabeth HUGHES, married in 1861. I have them in the 1871 census, living in St Asaph Denbighshire Wales, where they were both born, lived, etc. Here are the details:

Thomas Vaughan, b 1841 Head.
Elizabeth Vaughan, b 1840 Wife.
William Vaughan, b 1859 Son.
Mary Vaughan, b 1864 Daughter.
Samuel Vaughan, b 1866 Son.
Hugh Thomas Vaughan, b 1871 Son.

(c/o TNA census ref RG10 5669 69 11)

...and then they vanish.

I can't understand where they go. Can anyone see something I'm missing?

Hubby's direct ancestor is the youngest child on the above census, Hugh Thomas Vaughan. He gets married in 1892 - still in St Asaph - and then has children there from 1897 to 1906. Hugh and his family appear in St Asaph on the census in 1911.

It seems unexpected that the parents (Thomas and Elizabeth) would have just moved out of the area completely, but I can't find either of them on 1881/91/01/11 census. They may have died, but that also seems odd because they were both quite young to have died before 1881. I can't see quarter where a Thomas Vaughan and an Elizabeth Vaughan died (I wondered if there had been an accident or something).

I have looked through the possible deaths in St Asaph, and there are quite a few it could be. For Thomas the earliest feasible is 1904 - so where was he on the 3 census of 1881, 1891 and 1901??

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!  Please help, I would be so grateful!

Many thanks
Rachel and Garry

[Gadget]

Hello both 

It's very odd!

What does it say on Thomas's marriage cert about his father - does it mentionif he was deceased and what the occupations given for them?

gnu

[Gadget]

First sortee ~

Death of an Elizabeth in  March 1874,  St Asaph, aged 33 v 11b  p 282

What was Thomas's mother called as there is a  Samuel  Vaughan with a grandmother in 1881 on RG11/5529/57/12


gnu

[Gadget]

Hi

Just checked on the 1851 for Thomas (b. 1840). He had a brother William  listed as deaf and dumb and there is one with Samuel on the 1881 that I referred to.


gnu

[Rachatfalcon]

Hi there,

Thanks so much for looking at this for me.

I think you're probably right about Elizabeth - but I just didn't think she'd have been dead by then. I don't know why, its happened in other branches of my tree etc, and I know it wasn't uncommon back then to die at an earlier age, it just surprised me for some reason.

The 1881 census with Thomas' mother Mary, brother William and son Samuel is definitely correct. So I guess Thomas and Elizabeth's other children were all 'out at work' by then but Samuel was with his grandmother.

Wonder where Thomas is on the census then, I can't see him but then its an extremely common name and when you don't have a companion to look for as well, it really is a needle in a haystack.

I don't have any of the certificates, I'd love to order them but the tree is so big and we just can't afford it. Hopefully one day!

Thanks so much again,
Rachel and Garry

[Gadget]

The problem with finding the others is that their surnames could have been -doed- to whoever they were staying with. Also,, when I looked at the 1871, I thought that the Vaughan could be interpreted as Branagan    I've checked for Hugh and Mary without surnames but, so far, haven't found anyone that I'm sure of. So far, no sign of Thomas either,  and the BMD death ages for him are all wrong 


gnu

[Gadget]

A possible for Mary in Abergele as a domestic servant:

RG11/5531/73/14

[Gadget]

Is this your Hugh in 1891:

St Asaph - RG12/4627/106/7


gnu

[Paul]

Hello Rachandgarry, gnu
Is this his baptism & Marriage?

July 5 1840. Thomas s/o Samuel & Mary Vaughan. Abode. Ducks Pool, Talar.

June 15 1861.
Thomas Vaughan. full age. bachelor. Occ, Labourer. Abode, Ducks Pool, Talar
Father, Samuel. Occ, Labourer.
Elizabeth Hughes. full age. spinster. Servant. Abode, High Street. Father, Thomas. Occ, Labourer.
Witnesses. Richard Williams & Mary Williams.

Both St Asaph.

If it is him I have baptisms of siblings and children.

The only Burial I could see 1871-1883.
Elizabeth Vaughan. March 24 1874. age 33 yrs. Abode. Glan Clwyd, Gwernglefryd. (Same Abode as Hugh Thomas Vaughn baptism Jan 29 1871)

Paul.