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Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« Reply #36 on: Tuesday 24 April 12 11:58 BST (UK) »
At the time of writing the book Hugh Malet  was lecturer in local history at  the University of Salford.
The cousin Earl that your grandmother talked was Earl Cawder Gwyther, the other 2 would have been Rhyll Pembroke & Leo Milford Gwyther.
In a postcard that i have, sent by Earl to his sister (my grandmother) he tells her that he, Leo & Rhyll had just been in London. The card is dated 5th Sep.1916.
The families must have been in touch.

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Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 25 April 12 01:00 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Firstly, do you have the family tree from Elenor down to you including Gwythers?

Secondly, I have spent virtually around the clock with piles of paper, assembling the THomas Gilbert part.

My thoughts are these...

...In 1665AD, London and much of the country was ravaged by plague, starvation from the farmer workers not being able to work due to sickness and the Great Fire of London which burnt the whole city down in 1666AD, but cleared the plague.

Hence, after 1666AD, there were many new opportunities, a lack of labour and every reason for survivors to marry and produce lots of kids.  With the City of London burnt down, not through military action, but an accident, there was a whole new spirit of renewal in England, and with planners and architects scurrying about, the idea of everything being written down was suddenly appealing.

Hence would not tend to have kids outside marriage, but once married, women became baby farms, pumping out a kid virtually every year.

Furthermore, with all the scare of the plague, people would live in fear of the outside world, so people tended to stay put and marry people in the same village.

As a result, close sequences of births by people with the same first and surnames would probably be the same parents.  My conclusions are in the next reply...

- R




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Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 25 April 12 02:04 BST (UK) »
Gilberts appear for generations before 1665AD, but the first possibly recognisable chain starts with Thomas and Mary Gilbert.

Children from a Thomas and Mary Gilbert are...

- Ann
- Mary (bapd 24/11/1678)
- Eliz? (bapd 20/10/1680)...This is reg'd two pages AFTER the 1681 baptisms
- JAMES (bapd 26/3/1681)
- John (bapd 11/1/1685)
- Joseph (bapd 7/3/1686)
- Hugh (bapd 21/4/1689)
- Daniel (bapt 26/7/1691)

Children from a Daniel and Ann Gilbert are...

- Thomas (bapd 5/10/1718)
- Ann (bapd 22/10/1721)

A Daniel Gilbert and Elizabeth then marry in 20/6/1732

Children from a JAMES and Isobel Gilbert are...

- William (bapd 4/9/1714)
- Hugh (bapd 2/5/1717)
- THOMAS (bapd 7/6/1719)
- Isobel (bapd 5/3/1721)
- JOSEPH (bapd 8/12/1724)
- Elizabeth (bapd 14/5/1726, apparently died 20/9/1729)
- Elizabeth (bapt 14/6/1731)

If Joseph Gilbert actually changed his name to John Gilbert, then this would be a precise match.

James as their father would have been about 33 years old at the time of his marriage to Isobel, if he were the son of Thomas and Ann Gilbert.

- R

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Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 25 April 12 02:10 BST (UK) »
Hugh Malet must gave had sources.  What were these?  They should be in the back of the book,


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Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 25 April 12 07:19 BST (UK) »
Incidentally, have you considered whether Elenor might have spent some time in Tsarist Russia, visiting Anne Lydia?

In case, you are not aware of the story...

In 1884, Lydia saw an advertisement in the newspaper for a nurse/governess to look after very young children for a British family in Russia. The post required 21 year old fully qualified nurse who was fluent in Russian and had several years experience working with children. 16 year old Lydia had none of these, in fact she thought one just adds "OV" onto the English to speak Russian. When she arrived in Petrograd, the only Russian that she had learnt was the instructions to a taxi driver "Droits Kopec" to reach the British Embassy where she would meet the family. Fortunately, they were delighted with her dedication and she stayed with the Hubbard family until 1889 in Sisselburg, which, coincidentally, was colour photographed at the time by a special photographer of the Tsar to record his Empire. (The photo is now accessible online). During my 1990 visit to the Lenin State Library ikn Moscow, I found the Hubbards listed, although, as was the custom at the time, the name was spelt "GUBBARD" as there is no Russian "H".

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Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 25 April 12 23:08 BST (UK) »
Major leap forward!  AM continuing to use the Ancestry.co.uk facilities and have gained access to others' trees.   By cross-referencing, I have dubiously driven the tree all the way back to 1625AD and Farley Hall.

You'll find my data under the tree there of THOMPSETT.

- R

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Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« Reply #42 on: Thursday 26 April 12 20:10 BST (UK) »
By the way, just explain, here in Canada, Ancestry.ca has biven people here 1 days trial membership and I'm trying to trace the entire family tree in that time, so I'm working 24/7 on it as a challenge!

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Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« Reply #43 on: Monday 30 April 12 09:58 BST (UK) »
BREAKTHROUGH!!!  ...On Susannah Cobb, moher of Elenor Inwood....=

Her place of birth was listed as Herestome.  There is no such place.  THis is an error in transposition.

It is HeresCOMBE.  Once this is replaced, the family of Cobb comes tumbling out.  THis could be a big lead for what you need to know.  Maybe Elenor is registered somewhere as staying with or visiting her grandparents.

Best wishes,

R

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Re: Brickwall - Eleonor Lander
« Reply #44 on: Monday 21 May 12 23:25 BST (UK) »
Hi,

The post card would be of great interest to me.  The three Australian brothers visited my great grandfather's pub... except I am not sure which one.  What EXACTLY does the postcard say and what is the postmark?

Best wishes.