Brickwall - Eleonor Lander

[marymog]

Bryn

you missed my question about Honora was she a spinster at marriage?

mm

[bryn394]

marymog, sorry, i thought i had replied to your question.
The details of the marriage certificate are; 8 Nov 1856, George Moseley L, full age, bachelor, gent, 41 Gloucester st , father - George.
 Honora Scanlan, full age, spinster, 41 Gloucester st, father - Michael Scanlan;  married Registry office, St Pancras.
Honora's death from pneumonia, 23 Jan 1858, age 37. The informant was Biddy Dornin (signed with a mark)  curious??
The 1851 census has her age as 20, born Ireland.
There is an Eleanor Lander in the 1851 census:-
HO 107/143?; 3 Abbey Terrace, Marylebone
household of James Gerrish, 55, Elizabeth Gerrish, 38, 6 children, 2 gr children, 1 f s.
Eleanor Lander, sister, age 12, born Oxfordshire.
Age fits, & she is the only Eleanor that i can find that is about the right age & not living with parents.
The only other thing that might fit is that Eleonor was an illegitimate daughter.
     bryn.

[avm228]

Honora's death from pneumonia, 23 Jan 1858, age 37. The informant was Biddy Dornin (signed with a mark)  curious??
The 1851 census has her age as 20, born Ireland.

If she was 37 in 1858 it seems unlikely she was the same Honora who was 20 in 1851

[louisa maud]

Just purely as interest
Parish Nobbler
Diocese Meath
born abt 1844
baptised 11/06/1844
father Patt Dornin
mother Biddy Dornin
sponsor Owen Dornin

Other than this for pure interst there is no other Biddy Dornin as far as I can see but as you said "curious"

Louisa Maud

[marymog]

If Honora  was 37 in 1858  she would be born c. 1821 so she was old enough to be the mother of Eleonor, the one that was 20 was just in the right place, but not necessarily the right person.

there is a Hannah Scanlan in Marylebone

1851
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1488; Folio: 609; Page: 8;

1841  with older could be brother Michael a tailor.

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 719; Book: 16; Civil Parish: St Anne Blackfriars; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 10; Folio: 19; Page: 31;


mm

[bryn394]

 avm228, thank you, it could be a different Honora, or it could also be that the person suppling the details on the census only guessed the age.
Honora was boarding with at least 7 others. The other scenario is that the age on the death certificate was incorrect.
bryn...

[Quelquechosedautre]

possible marriage on Cheshire transcripts, fits in with Birmingham births


name:   George Lander
event:   Intended marriage
event date:   17 Mar 1805
residence:   St Philips, Birmingham, Warwick
marital status:   Widowed
spouse:   Alice Gilbert
spouse's marital status:   Spinster

but he cant make up his mind if he is a widower or not(maybe George was a chip off the old block)

ame:   George Lander
event:   Intended marriage
event date:   17 Mar 1805
residence:   St Philip's, Birmingham, Warwick
gender:   Male
age:   21
marital status:   Batchelor
spouse:   Alice Gilbert
spouse's residence:   Salford, Manchester, Lancaster
spouse's age:   21
spouse's marital status:   Spinster

mm

Hi,

I am also a descendent of George Moseley Lander and have had info passed down to me.  I am a descendent of Anne Lydia, the sister of Eleanor.
 
Anne Lydia, increasingly used Lydia.  She married John Saunders, a valet and latterly a boot retailer.  THey had several children, Lydia Mabel (my grandmother), Winnifred, Victoria and Kay and others, several who I understnad died in child birth.

Your research confirms what I have already had passed down to me.  George Moseley Lander was a descendent of either THomas Gilbert (MP for Lichfield) or his brother John Gilbert, Brindley's righthand man an engineer on the Manchester Canal and who died in 1796.

The Alice GILBERT confirms this.

You should be able to try linking from these two famous, well documented Englishmen to George Moseley Lander.

Best wishes,

- R

[Quelquechosedautre]

Incidentally, if you check the Census returns, your questions are answered.

According to that, George Moseley Lander was 61, when his wife was 29.

Yes, there was 32 years difference between them.

- R

[Quelquechosedautre]

Incidentally, consider Anne Lydia.  SHe was REGISTERED at St Pancras, but actually gave LAMBETH as her place of birth at her marriage.

St Pancras is a business centre or at least would have been then.  Lambeth would (and is) a residential area.

It looks very much as the hyper-busy George Moseley Lander popped into the local birth registry at, say, a lunchtime, when he actually lived in Lambeth.  A check of the census returns confirms this.

- R