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Re: Ferguson, Newton Limavady, Londonderry
« Reply #90 on: Saturday 31 January 15 13:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
   The following death extracts from the Londonderry Sentinel may be of interest.

3 Mar1839 Jane, beloved wife of William Osborne, Ballyhargan (sic) Esq. county of Londonderry and daughter of Rev Joseph Osborne, formally of Newtownards

13 Jun 1850 at his residence Altmover, Dungiven, the Rev Joseph Osborne, senior minister of the Unitarian Church of Newtownards at the advanced age of 88years.

   ( Altmover appears to be a small area in the townland of Ballyharigan. In the 1858 Griffiths valuation it seems to cover the Osborne farm, no 17a,b,c,d,e, in the Griffiths list.

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Stewart, Irwin, Morrison, Haslett, Murrell - Dungiven area Co. Londonderry
Browne, Barrett -Co.Armagh
Neil, Smyth _Co. Antrim

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Re: Ferguson, Newton Limavady, Londonderry
« Reply #91 on: Saturday 31 January 15 15:40 GMT (UK) »
Ah, thanks.  I'd assumed Altmover was a townland, but I see it now. 

I have those notices from other newspapers actually.  There's a long extract from an address given at the funeral of Jane Osborne in 1839 reproduced in "The Bible Christian" available online.  Not hugely helpful from a genealogical perspective.

The death notice I have for Rev Joseph Osborne is from the Freeman's Journal, 10th Jan 1850 (not June).  Neither of the notices give the date of his death, but George Speer has it as 13th Dec 1849, which more or less fits with the January notice.

This Rev Joseph Osborne is apparently the son of William Osborne, brother of an earlier Rev Joseph Osborne who died on 17th Sep 1800.  George has this one's DoB as c1709, which I'm a bit dubious about because it would make him 30 years older than his brother William.

The earlier Rev. Joseph Osborne is the person who *might* be the common ancestor between myself and princess41.  I've tried to find a notice of his death, with no success.

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Re: Ferguson, Newton Limavady, Londonderry
« Reply #92 on: Saturday 31 January 15 16:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
    I have double checked and you are correct. The date of the Journal was 4 Jan 1850 and the text gives the death as "13 ULT" which I assume refers to 13 Dec 1849.

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Stewart, Irwin, Morrison, Haslett, Murrell - Dungiven area Co. Londonderry
Browne, Barrett -Co.Armagh
Neil, Smyth _Co. Antrim

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Re: Ferguson, Newton Limavady, Londonderry
« Reply #93 on: Saturday 31 January 15 16:24 GMT (UK) »
Oh good, thanks  :)


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Re: Ferguson, Newton Limavady, Londonderry
« Reply #94 on: Saturday 31 January 15 17:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
   The McCauslands have been a prominent family in Limavady since about 1790 when the forebear of the family was the Agent for William Conolly who bought the Limavady estate from the Phillips family. This link gives some idea of the family. http://www.kelcran.com/Genealogy/sources/mccausland/mccausland%20of%20drenagh%20-%201958.pdf

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Browne, Barrett -Co.Armagh
Neil, Smyth _Co. Antrim

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Re: Ferguson, Newton Limavady, Londonderry
« Reply #95 on: Saturday 31 January 15 19:29 GMT (UK) »
Yup, but we have had great difficulty finding where our William McCausland born c1775 fits in.  The family tradition is that our McCauslands were from Strieve/Streeve, and therefore presumably we are descended from Frederick McCausland and Rachel Hillhouse.

I have recently ordered a DNA kit for a McCausland cousin of mine in the hope that it will one day help solve the problem.

My great x3 grandfather Samuel Osborne McCausland was born on Christmas Day 1800.  Probably as a teenager he went to Londonderry where is served an apprenticeship in “commercial pursuits.”  In 1825 he moved to Belfast where he set up his own business in North Street.  In the same year he married Jane Killen of Glenwherry.  The business is still going strong, still being run by his descendants.

My grandfather wrote a history of the firm in 1975 to mark its 150th anniversary, and this is part of what he said of Samuel McCausland:

Who was this young man, so confident of his ability and merit?  We know that he came from Limavady.  We know that his father’s name was William McCausland, that his mother’s name was a Miss Osborne, that his maternal grandfather had an estate of some eight hundred acres between Limavady and Dungiven.  We know also that there was an old-established county family of M’Causlands or McCauslands in Limavady.  Their descendants are still considerable landowners in the district.  It seems therefore almost certain that Samuel McCausland was born and brought up a gentleman, with all that that implied in those days, when class distinction was very much more rigid than it is today.  It is also clear that by ‘entering into trade’, as the phrase went, he had committed social suicide.  This is supported by something told me by his grandson, who had it from his father.  He said that when the McCauslands of Limavady wanted to make use of them in any way they were prepared to acknowledge the McCauslands of Belfast as cousins, but that at all other times they ignored them.  This is in no way a reflection on the McCauslands of Limavady.  As any reader of Jane Austen will know, the gentry of that period regarded ‘being in trade’ as demeaning.  If one had relations in trade, or had been in trade oneself, one did one’s best to hush it up.  It was a skeletion in the family cupboard.  By setting himself up as a grocer young Samuel McCausland had brought no honour to the family name.  Probably the family thanked God that the dreadful deed had been done in distant Belfast, not in more familiar Londonderry or even Limavady itself.

Samuel McCausland was mayor of Belfast in 1868.  He lived in Cherryvale, the demesne of which is now the Cherryvale playing fields (the house no longer exists).  He died on 22nd April 1895.

This is the first time in a while that I’ve properly read the above extract, and the first time I’ve taken in about the maternal grandfather with 800 acres.  I suppose there’s probably a way for me to find out who this person might have been – there can’t have been many Osbornes with 800 acres between Limavady and Dungiven in the late 18th century.  I shall have to look into that...

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Re: Ferguson, Newton Limavady, Londonderry
« Reply #96 on: Saturday 31 January 15 19:56 GMT (UK) »
Good Morning from Australia!

Kingskerswell, You never cease to amaze me with your knowledge.  I don't know what we would do without you.  Thanks.

MFG
I am looking at the information I have on the Osborne's, parents of Ellen Jane Osborne.

The shipping record to Australia 'James Mathieson' 1841 for Ellen Jane who is now married to Henry Montgomery, after the death of William King Ferguson, states she is from Tillydrimmy Londonderry.  Father is Joseph Osborne a farmer & Mother Nancy Sproule and following it says living dead.  Just who is alive and who is dead I am not sure but I wonder if it could mean Joseph living & Nancy dead.  Ellen Jane was approx 18 in August 1840 & Presbyterian.  Person certifying Registry Baptism George Stern.  (Maybe you couldn't immigrate unless you were baptised.)  Things sure have changed in this country!!!!  Henry was a Stone Cutter & Ellen Jane a Dairywoman.  Both could read & write.  They came out to Australia under the Bounty Scheme.  No children allowed.

On Ellen Jane's death certificate 11 July 1896 it states Father Joseph Osbourne, occupation Overseer and says Ellen Jane was born in Inneskillen, Ireland.  Remember this is what gets passed down verbally. 

The children in that marriage were Anne Gordon Montgomery, Ellen Susan Frances (also noted as Eleanor & Helen), Mary, Elizabeth, Catherine, Jane, Hannah, Henry, Agnes, Deborah, Rebecca & Nancy.  (Only one son but eleven daughters in her second marriage.)  Sometimes it helps to look at the names as they repeat through the generations.

I wish I could find a bit more on this Nancy Osborne (Osbourne) nee Sproule.  It would be really helpful if I could find out if she remarried if Joseph died first and I have tried to find her date of death but haven't had any luck.

Can someone tell me what an Overseer is again please?

Can you be an Overseer and a farmer?

Cheers

Glenys

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Re: Ferguson, Newton Limavady, Londonderry
« Reply #97 on: Saturday 31 January 15 20:01 GMT (UK) »
MFG

Great reading about the McCausland's.  I think I have a few dates and names amongst my bits and pieces for the Limavady family.  Will have to hunt them down for you.

Glenys

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Re: Ferguson, Newton Limavady, Londonderry
« Reply #98 on: Saturday 31 January 15 20:14 GMT (UK) »
13 July 1810 Elizabeth McCausland Streve Hill marries Hugh Boyle  Balteagh.

Glenys