Ferguson, Newton Limavady, Londonderry

[majm]

I think the cert would be on my 'MUST HAVE' list.   Is the info on Ancestry on a submitted tree or on an Ancestry online Index?  If on a tree perhaps you could contact the tree owner and ask for a transcript of the dc on which they based their submission for that entry.  They may even send you a photocopy. Otherwise save up your pennies and order it from Qld BDM

Only my suggesions of course BUT I think that as you have been looking for 35 years for your G father that you should fully check that William out with the document itself.

JM   

[princess41]

There is a photo of the death certificate on Ancestry.  I have seen it.

We know that Edward's Mother Ellen Jane Osborne had a second marriage to Henry Montgomery.  She wouldn't have married Henry if William were alive so I am sure he had died in Ireland before 1840.  We aren't talking about the 21st century where people are in and out of relationships and marriages all the time.

Ellen Jane's death certificate lists Edward Augustus as child to her first marriage & husband William King Ferguson.

Glenys

[aghadowey]

We aren't talking about the 21st century where people are in and out of relationships and marriages all the time.

Actually, there was quite a bit of people re-marrying without spouse being deceased since divorce was usually only an option for the wealthy. Also, it was quite common to state you were married when only living together.

Since you've seen the William Ferguson death certificate- what are the personal details? Even if he's not Edward's father he could still be related.

[majm]

NO  You know from a NSW dc that a lady who died in 1896 was twice married.  Firstly to FERGUSON and then to MONTGOMERY  You know that her daughter advised there was a son from that Ferguson marriage and that son was named by his half sister as Edward Augustus Fergusn ..  The earlier generations are based on your recent research from that dc surely ...  I remember searching for a James Montgomery for you and then you found his given name was Henry ...

Sometimes you need the certificates.

JM

[majm]

While you are checking the personal dtails could I ask also for the burial info from that dc and the informants name address and relationship as per the dc.

JM

[princess41]

The death certificate shows William Leckey Ferguson Bricklayer married to a Mary Jane Given.  The story on Ancestry says there were 3 sons and five daughters and lists their names.  There is no Edward Augustus.  Two of the Sons Robert & John migrated to Australia prior to William Leckey & Mary arriving in 1863 and the other Son Alexander stayed behind in Ireland.

Looking closely at the death certificate it says the death is 24 December 1866.
Name and surname of Father John Ferguson Bricklayer
Name and surname of Mother Elenor Williamson
Certified in writing by David McLaughlin Carpenter Ipswich
Death Certificate states 5 Sons  4 Daughters
Death Certificate states he married at 25 years.  He married in Newtown Limavady
Death certificates states he had been in Qld. for 3 years.

Glenys

[princess41]

Mary Jane Ferguson (nee Given) died in 1905 so if William was born 1806 and was 25 when he married Mary then that would be about 1831. Both were still married when they came to Australia in 1863.  He wouldn't have married Ellen Jane Osborne.

Thanks.

Aghadowey, did you read over the message I sent you a few days ago?

Glenys

[majm]

So that info is showing us that it was possible that others surnamed FERGUSON were in Queensland in the same era as your Edward Augustus FERGUSON, and that they came from the same district in Ireland as he came from.  1866- 3 years = 1863.  It could well be that the info on Edward's 1918 dc re his length of time in the colonies is suspect.  It could be he arrived in the Colonies around the same time as this William Ferguson.  Afterall you have already noted you can find Edward from circa 1862 in Qld.     The William Ferguson who died Dec 1866 in Qld could well be a relative to your chap.  Perhaps an uncle or a cousin. 

I have forebears who arrived in Australia long before the 1850s.  I think of two brothers, aged 13 and 10 who came half way around the world in a sailing ship (sails only, no auxillary power) without any relatives accompanying them.  Neither of the boys could read or write.  I actually doubt if your Edward Augustus FERGUSON was accompanied by his aged grandmother (Nancy OSBORNE) on his voyage to Australia. 

Many of the immigration records for arrivals to Qld were lost in the great floods of 1893.  Some of the surviving records have been transcribed and are available at this link

http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/Indexes/Immigration/Pages/Immigration1848.aspx

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Hi,

Firstly I apologise for the long post.  I hope it will help advance Princess' quest.

Info from a Qld dc uploaded to the web includes some information that is written in by hand, and suggests to me that it is NOT part of the original certified certificate, but added by the person uploading it to the web.  The actual document was extracted on 11 Feb 1987 as per the certification section of the certificate.    The added handwriting reads  “ CH  31 MAR 1805  DRUMACHOSE L’DERRY IRE” (it is added at far right hand side nearest to “ Sex and Age”

My transcription of the online  document:

1866 Death in the District of IPSWICH registered by William Hendren.
Number :  868  691

When died and where  :  24 December, Ipswich
Name and surname; profession, trade or occupation:  William FERGUSON,  Bricklayer
Sex and age :  Male, 60 year   

Cause of death : Continual Fever
Duration of last illness  :  One month
Medical attendant by whom certified :  Dr Challinor
When he last saw deceased  :  23 December 1866

Name and surname of father  :  John Ferguson
Profession, trade, or occupation :  Elenor Williamson

Signature, description and residence of informant :  Certified in writing by David McLaughlin Carpenter  Ipswich

Signature of Registrar :  Wm Hendren
Date:  24 December 1866
Place of registration :  Ipswich

When and where buried : 25 December 1866  Ipswich
By whom certified :  Geo Dowden
Name and religion of minister and/or names of two witnesses of burial  :  Revd. McMosely, Minister of the Church of England         
D Lauglan         R Harvey

Where born and how long in Australian States, stating which:    Ireland       3 years in Queensland

If deceased was married 
Where   : Newtown  Limavady  Ireland
At what age   : 25 years
To whom   :    Mary Jane Given

Issue living in order of birth, their names and ages        Living   5 boys   4 Girls
Deceased, number and sex   :       Deceased


There is also a photo of the Headstone (Again this is my transcription):
PEACE In Loving Memory of William Lecky Ferguson Died Dec 24, 1866 Aged 60 years
Also his wife Mary Jane GIVEN Died Brisbane Jan 1 1905 Aged 93 years
Erected by their son, George.

On the 1905 dc for Mary Jane FERGUSON, nee GIVEN her then living descendants were named as Robert 65,  Martha Jane 63, Mary Eliza 58, George Given, 55,  Helena Jane 48,  Whilemina Lavina 42.  There were 4 Males deceased.

May I suggest that you contact the tree owner and ask if they have information about the extended family of their William FERGUSON.   I do urge this as the tree owner has noted “There seems to be some difference of opinion as to when Mary Jane Ferguson (nee Given) died,  I can find no official document for her death in 1863 but did find one for 1905 in the Queensland Births Deaths and Marriages”.    That comment suggests to me that there are areas of doubt that the tree owner recognises.   

Princess, you have been searching for 35 years for your chap.  It could well be the tree owner has been searching for a similar period.  The Qld dc for William Ferguson that he holds was issued in 1987. 

Cheers,  JM