Norman Wallis Williams (Bell Stores Crane st Cefn-Mawr)

[wrjones]

I see,I was mistakenly thinking Charles was the eldest!

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[Gadget]

John only appears on the 1861 - maybe he died 

On the 1861, Charles is down as 8 months old. Thus born circa July 1860, if the info is correct.   This is the only birth registration that fits:

Sept q, 1860, Wrexham 11b  p 321

[wrjones]

Yes it should give Elizabeth's maiden name.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[wrjones]

One further thought on this.My father used to talk also about an Alf Muck.Would this possibly have been the Alfred Williams who has been shown as a possible uncle of Herb etc?

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[Gadget]

Turning to Norman's wife Annie:

I think that Annie Edwards was born circa 1899, Brymbo

1901
4 Long Row, Brymbo
RG13/5221/88/35

George Edwards, 23, steel smelter, b. Llangollen
Jane, wife, 22, b. Acrefair
James J, son, 3
Annie, dau, 2
Mary, dau, 1 mth
Children all b. Brymbo

George Edwards married Jane Clayton March q, 1897, Wrexham, vol 11b p 338 

Local BMD has the marriage at St Giles, Wrexham



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[Gadget]

Bit more~

Probably George  Edwards and his parents in 1891:

Old Engine House, Windy Hill, Gwersyllt
RG12/4617/4/2

Joseph Edwards, 36, colliery labourer
Sarah Ann,w, 33, b. Wrexham
George, s, 12
Jane Anne, d, 11
Edward RD, s, 10
Elizabeth, d, 6
Harriet, d, 3
Margaret, d, 1, b. Gwersyllt

Born Garth, Llangollen unless stated otherwise

Marriage Dec q 1878, Wrexham, v. 11b  p 482
Joseph Edwards and Sarah Ann Clutton  - St Giles, Wrexham



And Jane Clayton with her parents in 1891:

4 Blast Row, Foundry Road, Brymbo
RG12/4616/60/52

James Clayton, 35, Furnace Man, b. Llansannan
Ann, w, 35, b. -do-
Barbara, d, 14, b. Ruabon
Jane, d, 12, b. -do-
Robert, s, 9, b. Brymbo
Hugh, s, 7, b. -do-
Llewyn, s, 4, b. -do-
William, s, 1, b. -do-


Marriage Dec q, 1874, St Asaph, v 11b  p 626
James Clayton and Anne Evans - St Asaph, civil marriage


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[wrjones]

This looks like the Sarah Ann Clutton in 1861-RG9/4284/8/10.Father Richard Clutton is at Trevor Hall in 1881-RG11/5540/73/41.Richard looks to have married a Harriet Jones at Wrexham in 1840.The Clutton family looking at the available Trees is one of the better researched families in the area.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[sean 1656]

Can I just say a very big thankyou for all your help, as I could not have found my family history with out your help..

Kindest Regards

Sean wilson