# 32 Reply summary of family = HART P J & Corcoran M NSW Australia

[May Hem]

Hi Courtney,
I have descended from Mary Ann Hart, sister of Elizabeth Hart.
My searches have been mainly confined to Mary Ann Hart who was my gt grandmother.
I think Jamison would be of more help to you because from memory Elizabeth Middleton is his direct ancestor.
You will see his posts in this thread. He will be able to give you more information, I am sure.
Good luck and best wishes with your searches.
May Hem

[May Hem]

Hi Courtney,
I just did a google search for Elizabeth Hart Middleton, NSW and found an entry for for James Christopher Middleton on a website 'genealogist- specialist.com'. It seems James Middleton died and is buried in Goulburn, NSW. Try googling 'Elizabeth Hart Middleton, NSW' and scroll down and I think you may find the chats interesting.
best wishes,
Trish

[Courtney1986]

Thank you I have a lot of information on James and Elizabeth Middleton everything after they were married as my nan grew up around her aunts and uncles (James & Elizabeth's children) I am looking for proof that Elizabeth was actually apart of this family because for the last year I have thought she was the daughter of James hart and Margaret danaher but could never find any birth certificate, then I came across this post still no birth cert but I know she was born in Inglewood however her birth year on here does not match the fact that on her death cert it states she was married at 17 and she was married in 1876/8 I can't remember right now anyway the death certificate was filled out by her son so I really can't rule it out.
So I am interested in James Patrick hart and Margaret Corcoran if you have any that you are willing to share

[May Hem]

Yes, the James Hart and Margaret Danaher marriage lead us all to bark up the wrong tree.
Elizabeth's parents were James Patrick Hart, commonly Patrick Hart, and Margaret Corkens.
Mary Ann was born in Inglewood too from memory.
All my files are currently in storage, but I do have a marriage certificate for Elizabeth and James in Albury. I seem to remember that the marriage date was a little later than 1868. You can get a copy of their wedding certificate from the Catholic Church in Albury - they are very obliging.
I strongly recommend that you contact Jamison because he has descended from the same family as yourself.
Patrick Hart was a convict, imprisoned in Hobart. You can see his full family details on their website, and you can order a very handsome copy of that entry. Patrick was sentenced for beating up someone called Quinn whom I suspect may have been Red Kelly's father in law. Patrick seemed to be a model prisoner and earned his release upon which time he went to Victoria for the gold diggings.
He was not related to the Steve Hart of the Kelly Gang. Descendants of the Kelly/ Hart family have confirmed that fact for me. I have not been able to find any early information of Margaret Corkerns, she seemed to have always been present in her daughters' lives at the birth of their various children. Mary Ann died near Narrandera shortly after giving birth to the third child of her second marriage, and her mother Margaret Corkerns Hart died shortly after- from memory about 1892. We have not been successful in finding either of their graves in Narrandera or the nearby settlements. I think they led wretched lives, and it is very sad to read the scant story of their lives.
I am sorry to be offering very general information - I have not been looking at family history for the past 3 years - I think it is time to do so again.
I will keep you in mind as I unearth more.

[Courtney1986]

Thank you so much my nan will love to read that.
We have been stuck on this family for such a long time.
My mum grew up hearing stories that she was realated to the hart family but she said her aunty was a great story teller (not much truth in any of her stories though lol)

[May Hem]

Hi Courtney 1986

I found the information you want -
information from www.portarthur.org.au - you can apply for transcriptions from the records.
Patrick Hart, convict, database No. 30908, Convict number 33869, Tasmanian convict record p. 14303, ex Tipperary, Ireland.
Arrived on Emily 2, 14 March 1844, aged 24 yrs of age, Roman Catholic, so birth date 1820.
He had been sentenced to 7 yrs jail, and granted Certificate of Pardon in 1851.
His crime was beating a man in company with a convict named Tierney.
His Convict details are Conduct Record CON33/60, Indent CON14/29, Description list CON 18/37.
His parents were John and Ellen, he has 2 brothers, John and Frank, and a sister, Mary Ellen.
You can apply for this transcript from the Port Arthur website.

He married Margaret Corkens/Corcoran, nee Macklin, in Victoria in 1853.
Initially lived in Inglewood, Victoria/Longwood area of Victoria.They next appearin Walbundrie which is a small place in the Albury District.
All 3 daughters married in that area - Mary Ann, b, 1856, m. Chas Toll at Mahonga Station, Ellen Mary b.1857 married John Owens and Elizabeth b. 1858 married James Middleton at St Patricks, RC Church, Albury.
Margaret Hart  next appears around Urana and the Narrandera area where her daughters were living.Margaret died in 1891 and is buried in an unmarked grave in Narrandera cemetery.
We think Patrick died in 1895 in the hospital for the insane at Rydalmere, Sydney and is buried in Rookwood cemetery.
Mary Ann died in 1890 from complications after childbirth. She also lies in an unmarked grave in Narrandera area.
Ellen Mary had 12 children and died in 1903 from complications during childbirth - she and her twins are buried in an unmarked grave near Whitton, near Leeton NSW.
Elizabeth had 6 children and we have no details of her whereabouts. You may be able to provide that detail for us.
The Hart story is one of poverty and hardship. Sorry.
I hope all this information sheds some light for your family history.

[Dundee]

Patrick's records are here on Tas Archives:

Conduct Record:

http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-60,212,84,F,60

He was a 3rd Class probation pass holder and assigned to work on the gang at Saltwater Creek (Saltwater River) from arrival until Oct 1845.

http://www.heritage.tas.gov.au/media/pdf/convict_sites/Coal%20Mines.pdf

He was then assigned to work for a Mr TRIFFETT at ? (I can't decipher this place name), and T. C. MARZETTI at Hamilton (this is probably Thomas Charles Hugh MARZETTI).  He was very well behaved; his conduct record is very sparse.

Ticket of Leave 27 June 1848
Recommended for a conditional pardon 5 Oct 1848
Conditional Pardon approved 5 Feb 1850

You might want to read how the probation system worked

http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/P/Probation%20system.htm

Description List:

http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON18-1-37,183,140,F,60

Indent:

Page 1  http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-29,325,36,F,60
Page 2  http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-29,325,37,F,52

Tas Archives search homepage:

http://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/?

Debra 

[May Hem]

Thank you, Dundee - expanding the information re Patrick will give Courtney 1986 the the full picture.
I did enquire about the 3 Certificates mentioned in Remarks - I was hoping these elaborated on the siblings and parents. The very helpful person at Port Arthur archives said these certificates would have related to Patrick's jail and conduct.

[Courtney1986]

Thank you so much
I will get the full details of the children of Elizabeth and James middleton from memory Elizabeth died in Sydney from an accidental fall down the stairs there are coroners reports online for this but when I get home tonight I will send more detail.
Thanks again