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Master Mariners
« on: Sunday 18 September 11 18:25 BST (UK) »
I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction to find out more about my ancestors career as a master mariner? I have his certificate number and have read that you can order copies of master mariners certificates - where and how do I do this?

I know my ancestor was the master on two different ships and I have been lucky enough to see the crew agreements etc for these at the record office. I have been trying to trace his career backwards and have got the name of a third ship he worked on (unknown position though) from the cre agreements (the bit where they list the previous ship they worked on). The crew agreements etc for this third ship were at the record office but they did not cover the year I know for sure that my ancestor was serving. This is where I reach a stop - is there any other way of finding out which ships a mariner worked on?

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Re: Master Mariners
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 18 September 11 21:17 BST (UK) »
Could you give us a name and date and place of Birth ? Together with the relevent certificate number please.
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Re: Master Mariners
« Reply #2 on: Monday 19 September 11 08:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Pinkshoes,

If he was a Master Mariner, his name should appear in the Captain's registers.

http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/capintro.htm 

From that you can get his Masters number (usually a C followed by a number) and obtain his Masters certificates, which will list most if not all of the ships your ancestor sailed on. These certificates used to be available from the Caird library at the National Maritime Museum in London ( from where I got my ancestors records a few years ago). However, I now understand they are elsewhere.

https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/london-metropolitan-archives/visitor-information/Documents/50-lloyds-of-London-captains-registers-and-related-sources.pdf

Once you have those, each ship can be researched in some depth relatively easily online via various websites and institutions. And if you post their names here, you may even find others know about or are researching the same vessels too.

You should also post his details here - name, birth place, age -  as he may appear in other records, such as newspaper archives which other people may have access to.

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Re: Master Mariners
« Reply #3 on: Monday 19 September 11 19:03 BST (UK) »
Thank you both so much.

My ancestors name was Oliver Paskins and his certificate number is C33712 (at least I hope that's what that means!). He was born C1826 in Sussex and was the master mariner on ships called Swift and Spring. The Spring sank off the coast of Sweden in 1874. I know he also served on a ship called Wild Dayrell, but I don't know in what capacity.

Would the sinking of Spring appear in any newspaper reports?

Any further information I could obtain on any of Oliver's career would be great.

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Re: Master Mariners
« Reply #4 on: Monday 19 September 11 21:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Pinkshoes,

I had a look at the 19th century newspapers site but alas couldn't find any reference to the sinking of Spring. There are references though to the movement of both the Spring and Swift under the command of Paskins. There were 21 such references for the Swift between 1883 and 1888 and 3 for the Spring spanning 1866 and 1872. The Spring ws carrying coals and ballast. I found two references to the movement of the Wild Dayrell in 1861 and 1867 under Hedycock and then Hawkins.

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Re: Master Mariners
« Reply #5 on: Friday 21 October 11 17:08 BST (UK) »
I am trying to find my ancestor, Robert Godsoe, who was a Master Mariner from Liverpool, born 1835 and died some time between 1864-1870.   I don't know the name of any ship he captained.

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Re: Master Mariners
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 01 December 11 17:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi
You can check for Master mariners certificate numbers in the mid nineteenth century by checking the Mercantile Navy List which included them up until around 1864.

 Google have digitised some of these books and you can view them on www.maritimearchives.co.uk
There is no entry for Oliver Paskins in 1864 which suggests that he was uncertificated.
Robert Godsoe's cert no was 11342 and he was awarded a masters cert (oc) in 1858 in Liverpool.  NMM Greenwich should hold the masters cert plus any application form which will include details of the ships he served on up until the exam. They charge around £25 for a copy of the documentation. contact manuscripts section.
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Re: Master Mariners
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 03 December 11 12:24 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much for the information on Robert Godsoe; it will help a great deal with my research.

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Re: Master Mariners
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 01 March 12 19:58 GMT (UK) »
Having just started researching two brothers who were Master Mariners I was delighted to find this thread.
Following the advice I have found I checked the Index to the Captains Registers of Lloyd’s of London and found them:
NAUGHTON, John b. Ayrshire 1832 C1816 Glasgow 1860
NAUGHTON, Thomas Elliot b. Ayrshire 1840 C29135 Glasgow 1868
Can someone advise me which resources are available to learn details of their careers?
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