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Re: shipping records for ssCity of London 1855
« Reply #54 on: Monday 19 September 11 00:04 BST (UK) »
flst, I admire your tenacity see if Cargill is here.
http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/capsC.pdf
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Re: shipping records for ssCity of London 1855
« Reply #55 on: Monday 19 September 11 11:37 BST (UK) »
Thanks seaweed, I'm enjoying this query! I see there was a book published in 2000 called "Aberdeen Steam Navigation Company", written by Graeme H.Somner. I'm going to try & request a copy of it through my local library. Should make interesting reading. I enjoy "padding out" family history.It seems a shame to have only birth, marriages, deaths & census records of our ancestors. I also spotted an image of a lithograph by J.Henderon (published in 1844) online, of the "City of London".
Regarding Captain Cargill, there are a few listed & they all seem to have been born in the Arbroath/Dundee area. I've discounted some of them owing to their late date of birth. I don't know how old a man was before he became a captain. Would a teenager be too young? Without seeing an initial,or a registration number? (what is that number shown on the list?), on the ship arrivals in the papers I cannot think how to identify the correct one. Would the captain stay with the ship for several trips?
As you say, we learn something new every day!
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Re: shipping records for ssCity of London 1855
« Reply #56 on: Monday 19 September 11 14:11 BST (UK) »
Your enjoyment is clear, flst!

I have to admit I have got lost on the different 'City of London' options  :P Just adding this link http://www.historic-shipping.co.uk/gsssco/City%20of%20London.html with the mention of a Captain Cargill c. 1853.

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Re: shipping records for ssCity of London 1855
« Reply #57 on: Monday 19 September 11 14:14 BST (UK) »
A little bit more elsewhere:

Captain John Cargill, born 1802 at Dundee, was listed as 'shipmaster' in an Aberdeen directory from 1831. His commands were:
True Blue, 1831-1833, 93 or 105 tons
Singapore, 1833-1835, 300 tons
Ann, 1835-1837, 130 tons
Kingston, 1837-1838
Queen of Scotland, 1838-1840
St Lawrence, 1840-1841
Duchess of Sutherland, 1841-1843
City of London, 1843-1855
He is listed as 'late shipmaster' 1856-1860, all at Aberdeen.


http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/print.cgi?cargill::535.html
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Re: shipping records for ssCity of London 1855
« Reply #58 on: Monday 19 September 11 18:56 BST (UK) »
Thanks Monica, now I'm confused! I'm away to re read my findings to see where I'm going wrong!
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Re: shipping records for ssCity of London 1855
« Reply #59 on: Monday 19 September 11 19:10 BST (UK) »

Here's the information I found in "The Ships List";
(Steamships - years of service)
City of London (1)    1844    paddleship, 1869 converted to screw propulsion, 1854-55 requisitioned for Crimean War service, 1871 sold to George Russell, London, 1887 scrapped.
So, this proves that the ship William Allan was on was doing Crimean War service. It's sister ship "City of Aberdeen" was also requisitioned .
The link you attached from historic shipping states that Captain Cargill was master of another "City of London".
Don't know what to think. Perhaps I'll find out more when I eventually get a couple of books from the library!
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Re: shipping records for ssCity of London 1855
« Reply #60 on: Monday 19 September 11 19:33 BST (UK) »
More snippets!
From "Recollections of an Old Lawyer" by Lachlan Mackinnon 1935;The steamers plying regularly at Aberdeen in the 'sixties were mostly paddle steamers; but the screw was fast ousting the paddle, and no paddle steamer was added to the register of the port in the 'sixties. Foremost in size and appearance was the City of London, of 1116 tons and 231 feet in length, built for the Aberdeen Steam Navigation Co in 1844. She was one of the few transports that weathered the great gale at Balaclava Harbour during the Crimea War. Her beam of 52 feet 6 inches across paddle boxes was so great that she had little more than room to get through the dock entrance. She could make the run between London and Aberdeen in three tides on a huge expenditure of coal. She was described in the Illustrated London News of 27th July, 1844, as a "stupendous vessel, ... and with the exception of the Great Britain, which has not yet been to sea, she is the largest iron steamship afloat."
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Re: shipping records for ssCity of London 1855
« Reply #61 on: Monday 19 September 11 20:18 BST (UK) »
I'll say it again flst, I admire your tenacity!
Monica's post and link re CITY of LONDON O/N 158 certainly added a new dimension.
I did eventually find this vessel via her O/N but I  still think the vessel we are after is O/N 26349 and your snippet from the "Old Lawyer" would help to confirm this.
 The sailing record for O/N 158 on that page would seem to me to be a case where little bits have been gleaned using records of a same named ship.
For example 3rd April 1856. Passed Deal for London from Calcutta I suspect that was O/N 22808 which was very regular trader to Calcutta.
Non the less O/N 158 should not be discounted as there are enough references there http://www.historic-shipping.co.uk/gsssco/City%20of%20London.html to suggest that she may have had some involvement with the Crimea. 7th April 1854. Arrived at Portsmouth Harbour with a number of Royal Sappers and Miners for the East, from the Thames to replenishment of coal.


It all hinges on finding a Crew Agreement

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Re: shipping records for ssCity of London 1855
« Reply #62 on: Monday 19 September 11 22:03 BST (UK) »
Thought Lynda would like to see an image of William's ship.

http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/displayRepro.cfm?reproID=BHC2475#content
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