O'Neills

[emmsthheight]

Hi Andrea

i
I was in the record office today and I drew a blank with the parish churches in Carlisle but I'd wondered about the RC parish in Carlisle as I've used the registers for this parish a lot and know it well.

I was sure I'd seen O'Neils and indeed, there they were!

I'll have to send you the fine detail tomorrow as it's late and there;s loads of it on another document - I don't have my printer sorted yet.

Anyway, I first found your 1843 marriage  to work back from and it was indeed your Henry O'Neil married Margaret Gallagher, fathers John O'Neil and John Gallagher.

There are also some children complete with godparents.  John and Joseph and possibly more.  I'll look a bit later next time and at what you have from the census.

I left off and looked at the earler register and did indeed find a baptism of a John O' Neil to John O'Neil but blank for wife.  However a little later a Joseph to John O'Neil and Cath Shannon and I reaised that was the name of John's godparent.
I'll give you more detail tomorrow - I hope"

Best wishes

Emms

[emmsthheight]

By the way, there are quite a large group of O'Neils in the register.  Take care if you come to use this register.

There is another John O'Neil having children at the same time!

Good night!

Emms

[andferdav]

Emms

That's fantastic! Look forward to hearing more.
I had a presumption that Margaret was called Irving, I guess nephew Hugh must be the son of another sister not brother!

thanks again
Andrea

[emmsthheight]

Hi Andrea

Nice to have somebody pleased this early in the morning!

I actually saw a Hugh but I'd been on the machine a while and I forgot that comment in your post.

Searching Carlisle RC is a bit like my own Hoeys in Salford.  This group[ of largely Irish descent have so many relationships between them all that once you know who you're looking for, you have to home in on them and leave out all their 4th cousins 5 times removed - well not quir=te!   etc.

When I go back, now I know I'm on the right track, I'll try and flesh it out!

No reall success with the marriage though.

I wonder if they went back to Ireland?  On the other hand, I have some TRC's who wenbnt to Gretna!  Better than paying the Established |Church!!!???

I'll keep you posted!

Emms

[emmsthheight]

PS Looking at Hugh and the other info again, I also the Wilson marriage but didn't know if it was linked.

Emms

[andferdav]

It would be so much easier if they didn't all use the same first names! My mother was a Pears from Northumberland - Henrys, Johns, Matthews etc. but it seems nearly every Pears family used those names.

We live close to the National Archives in Kew, if you ever want anything looking up there please just drop me a note.

Andrea

[emmsthheight]

Wow Andrea

What an amazing offer - that's really kind!  I will definoitely take you up on it!

Most of my famil;y are in the north apart from odd detours to foreign parts, but we have one resally big branch in London and around.  One major dream but not on the horizon at the moment or two!

Don't feel obliged though.

Meantime I will savour the thought.

Thank you again! 

Emms

[emmsthheight]

PS Going back to your family, I'll put more details up tomorrow but I wasn' t bothered by Matthews but there are definitely more than a smittering of Josephs and Henry's in your family!

I did find evidence of a couple of other names you mentioned but I'll just put up the vital part of the main ones tonight when I've had a look.

Best wishes

Emms

[emmsthheight]

Hi

An entry for a Hugh but no relationship to your lot given.

1844
Birth Sept 30 and baptism Oct 12 th for Margaret O’Neil of Annetwell St

Parents Hugh O’Neil and Margt Cain

Sponsors Patrick Flynn and Bridget Morrison

Sorry, bed time, but I'll have another go tomorrow!

Emms