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Baptism/Burial - Liverpool/West Derby - Edward Barnes - Missing!
« on: Friday 16 September 11 00:03 BST (UK) »
Dear all,

I'm looking for any parish records relating to my 3rd great-grandfather Edward Barnes.

He married Mary Frances Stocks on 09 Nov 1872 at St. David's Church, Liverpool. On the marriage certificate he was described as a Coach Maker, father named as Thomas Barnes, Smith. At the time of his daughter, Bertha's, birth in 16 Jul 1875 he is described as a Coach Builder living in Almonds Green, West Derby, Lancashire.

Here's the rub though... I can't find him on any census.

In 1881 his wife Mary Frances is living at 20 Grove Park, Toxteth Park, Liverpool as a servant (noticeably noted as unmarried), his three youngest children were living Mary's parents at 18 Gladstone Road, West Derby, Lancashire and Bertha MAY have been staying with her other grandparents Thomas Barnes, blacksmith and Hannah, at 1 Back Road, Welshpool, Montgomeryshire. No sign of Edward anywhere.

In 1891 his wife Mary Frances and all four children were living at 27 Nuttall Street, West Derby. Mary is described as a widow living on her own means BUT no sign of any death or burial for Edward Barnes.

Not too sure where Mary Frances was in 1901 but by 1911 she is living at 71 Gainsborough Road, Wavertree, West Derby, described as a widow living on her own means. On her death certificate on 21 Sep 1928 Edward is described as a ship's carpenter.

Now.... having found Thomas Barnes, smith, in the 1881 census I looked to the same Thomas and Hannah in the 1861 census where you find a 17 year old son named Edward - birth year abt 1844 in Eastham, Cheshire.

Working on those details on the 1871 census there is an Edward Barnes, born in Eastham, Chesham in 1843, a coach maker - who seems to be married to a Mary, 10 years his senior, with three young children, Lillie (3), Emily (1) and George Thomas (9months). They lived at 66 Canterbury Street, Everton, Liverpool.

In 1881 this Mary and her three children are still living at 66 Canterbury Street, Everton... but no Edward Barnes from Eastham, Cheshire. Mary is still described as married.

More questions than answers... any help finding a baptism or (more likely) a burial for Edward Barnes would be much appreciated.

All the best,

Dave

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Re: Baptism/Burial - Liverpool/West Derby - Edward Barnes - Missing!
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 September 11 22:16 BST (UK) »
Hello

I think you have the correct Edwrad BARNES have you thought he may not have married the first Mary! I can find no marriage nor birth entries for the 3 children under BARNES

1961 Wales RG9 4258 31 23 family under BAINES

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Re: Baptism/Burial - Liverpool/West Derby - Edward Barnes - Missing!
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 September 11 22:35 BST (UK) »
Hello

I think you have the correct Edwrad BARNES have you thought he may not have married the first Mary! I can find no marriage nor birth entries for the 3 children under BARNES

1861 Wales RG9 4258 31 23 family under BAINES

Have you looked at the extended family to see if you can find a connection?