Part 1: McGregor, Dewar, Kennedy, Cameron, McNaughton, Butter, Simpson, Lamond.

[mdundas]

I am looking for any information at all on the family below from Moulin / Weem. Names include McGregor, Dewar, Kennedy, Cameron, McNaughton, Butter,  Lamond. Thank you! I am especially keen to trace Alexander McG's parentage.

ALEXANDER MCGREGOR AND JEAN DEWAR
Were married on 1st Dec 1806 in Perth, where she is down as daughter of Thomas Dewar, Carrier in Perth, and he is down as a Corporal in the 74th Regiment of Foot. (Note: Could he have been barracked in Perth as it says “both in this parish” ?).
They were also married  a week later in Weem, where it states that they are both in THAT parish. Dr R. MacGregor of Clan Gregor society says very unlikely to have two couples of same name marrying within such a short timescale.
I can only find them on the 1841 census, where they were living in the stables at Moulin ( Inn? ) and Alexander is down as an Ag Lab. Both are down as being 55 yrs old, which, according to the rounding-down sytem used in the ’41 census,  would give them a both a birth year of between 1782 and 1786. Unfortunately, the ’41 census does not elaborate on whereabouts in Perthshire they were born.
I can find no further information on them in any of the subsequent censuses.
ISSUE:
Archibald – c 15.8 1807 in Castle Menzies , Weem ( I can find no trace of Archibald in any of the censuses );
Catherine – c  23.5.1809 in Weem
Niel, - c. 4.2.1811 in Weem ( no trace )
Jean – c. 9.1.1813 in Weem
Vere  -b. 29.1.1815, c 2.2 1815; in Perth. On 13 Sep 1847 she married Hope Fleming Mackenzie in Edinburgh and afterwards emigrated to Sarnia, Ontario where she died in 1849, I believe in childbirth. (NB He was tipped for the post but he died young as well in 1866 and so the role of the second-ever Prime Minister of Canada went to his brother Alexander!  ). Use of Vere may have come in to McGregors via Vere Menzies marrying into family.
Amelia Ann b 11.1.1817, c 16.1.1817, Perth *** ( my gggg-grandmother. See below. )
Isabella c 30.8.1820, Auchtergaven. She married Duncan Kennedy ( son of Duncan Kennedy and Christina MacDonald , b. Logierait abt. 1808) on 8 Jan 1841 in Moulin.
   1841: Moulin, Pitlochry
   1851:  No trace as yet.
   1861: Perth & Inverness Road, Moulin
   1871:  Inverness Road
   1881:  Inverness Road, Cloichard Cottages Duncan is dead by now ).
   1891:  Annuitant living at “Gaandearg” (mistrans.?), Old School House, Moulin.
   1901: ditto.

Duncan was a tailor by trade. He died between 1871 and 1881, when we find Isabella working as a laundress. They lived on Inverness Road, Moulin. By 1901, Isabella is living at “Gaandearg”, Old School House, Pitlochry as an annuitant. She died in 1902.

Their children were:  Alexander ( 1842 ), Christina Elizabeth ( 1844 ),  Jane  ( 1845 ),  Duncan ( 1847 ), Christian ( 1849 )   Isabella Amelia ( 1850 ),   Vere ( 1852 ),  Archibald Butter Kennedy ( 1859 ) and  Donald ( 1862 ).
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[mdundas]

Part 2:

AMELIA ANN MCGREGOR
Married Hugh Cameron, son of Donald Cameron and Mary McNaughton, on 4.2.1848 at Moulin ( “both of this parish” ). Donald Cameron is mentioned as being 50 on the 1841 census, which would give a birth year of  1787 – 1791. He lived at Shian, Kenmore. I have no further information on him as his wife is living with her son in the next census. Mary McNaughton was born on 18/6/1784 in Killin to Donald McNaughton and Margaret McNaughton. She died on 18/12/1871 at Cuiltrannich, Kenmore. By looking at other relatives on various censuses and death certificates I know that Hugh had the following siblings:  James (1823 ),  Duncan ( abt. 1827 ) and John ( abt. 1828 ), all born in Kenmore. Hugh has his place of birth down on the censuses as  Lawers, Perthshire.
I think that I have found Hugh on the 1841 census as a Draper’s  ( Dyer’s ?? ) Apprentice at Remony with the McNaughtons from the woollen trade. His name would possibly indicate a familial link with Hugh Cameron who was well-known for his mill-building in the area and who died only a few years ( 1817 ) before Hugh’s birth in 1820.
1851 to 1901 censuses :
1851:    Address: Trochrie, Little Dunkeld.
   Dyer & Woolcarder

1861:   Address: East Haugh, Moulin
   Dyer (  Journeyman )

1871:  Address: Inverness Road
   Dyer
1881 : Address: Inverness Road
   Woollen Dyer
1891:  Address: Viewbank, Moulin
   Dyer
1901: Address: Ness House, Moulin
Amelia died on 7 April 1898 at the Old Brewery, Pitlochry, fifty years and three days after their marriage.
Hugh died on 8 Oct 1908 at the Old Brewery, Pitlochry.

ISSUE:
Donald, born 1849 at Little Dunkeld
JEAN ELIZABETH born 1850 at L. D, ( see below )
Alexander, born 1853, L.D
Mary Ann (sub) 1854, LD ( see below )
John, 1856 , LD
Isabella 1858, Strathbran, LD. ( see below )
NOTES:
The 1841 census shows Amelia as living with her parents in the stables at Moulin. However, by the next census they seem to have died ( cholera / famine?) or emigrated with Vere after her marriage as there is no trace of them within UK records. ( Maybe OPRs for Poor Relief? )
(She and Hugh would appear to have moved to Moulin between  1858 and 1861, after birth of Isabella but their wedding record states “both of this parish”. Could it be that they lived in Moulin, moved to LD and then came back?)
 
Jean Elizabeth Cameron
Married John Low  on 29/1/1875 at Pitlochry. He is down as son of James Low, Gamekeeper, and Elizabeth Clark (dec’d).  Jean died on 11/10/1978 of post-partum shock after six days in childbed from  delivering my g-granny Charlotte. She and John had one other child, Amelia Jane, born in Blairgowrie in 1876. John Low went on to marry another two times, to a Catherine Grant and Charlotte Chalmers and it was he who brought the family down to Edinburgh.  
Mary Ann Cameron
Married Robert Lamond, moved to Glenshee and had the following children:
Amelia Jane, Robert, Margaret Elizabeth,  Jessie A and Isabella.

Isabella Cameron
Married George Simpson. They lived in Moulin ( Cloichard Cottages and Viewbank ) and had the following children:
Emily Ann (1884 ), Mary Jane ( 1885 ), Georgina Isabella ( 1886 ), Elizabeth Ann Morrison Simpson ( 1889 ) and Vere Kennedy Simpson (  1890 ), all in Moulin.

[Isabel H]

There's this ref. in the TNA catalogue, but I'm still trying to work out where "Tumburn" might be.
WO 119/42/98  ALEXANDER MCGREGOR. Born TUMBURN, Perthshire. Served in 74th Foot Regiment. Discharged aged 34. Covering dates give year of enlistment to year of discharge. Kilmainham Reference: A12363. 1801-1817

[mdundas]

Hello Isabel! Thanks for your reply. Yes, I have seen something relating to this as well regarding the sale of the same Alexander's medals from the Napoleonic Wars : http://www.dnw.co.uk/medals/auctionarchive/searchcataloguearchive/itemdetail.lasso?itemid=71441

The reason I don't think that this could be my Alexander is because I have compared the dates of some of his childrens' births and they clash with dates of active service during the campaign during which he was present and received medals for participating in. Unless of course the children were entered retrospectively but it doesn't look like it on the OPRs.

HOWEVER, after looking at the muster rolls of the 74th on ancestry for the Napoleonic Wars, I can only find one corporal bearing his name for the campaign. I believe that to view the Kilmainham papers I need to go to London to the National Archives.

I did have a theory re Tumburn, and wondered if it could be Tomour, Tomvulin, Tom Mor or Tombane. Phonetically, it is probably more likely to be the latter. Geographically, it is only five miles from Dunkeld and very near Trochrie so kind of fits my family's provenance.
 If this is him, I wish I had been able to buy the medals - I believe they went for over £6k!!

I appreciate any further thoughts you may have.

Maxine

[Isabel H]

Tombane, Tombuie, Tomour......all possible, though like you I think Tombane most likely.

Here's a snippet from marriages recorded in a notebook by the Moulin minister of the time:  1901, Oct 9   Alexr Bonthrone (30) Tailor 369 Leith Walk Edinburgh to Jane Isabella Cameron (27) niece & housekeeper to Hugh Cameron, Dyer, Ness House Pitlochry

[mdundas]

That's very interesting Isabel - the 1881,1891 and 1901 censuses have a Jane / Jeannie Cameron ( born 1874 - 6 ) down as living with Hugh, but mentions that she is his NIECE. I can only presume that Hugh and Amelia adopted her from a brother of his.  Her birth date is certainly too far on for Amelia to be her birth mother. I will need to do a bit more sleuth work here!

Thank you very much indeed!

[mdundas]

Sorry, you did say she was his niece. I will blame end-of-day tiredness for my attention lapse! Thank you for that, she was the daughter of Duncan Cameron and Jean Walker.

[mdundas]

Hi again Isabel! The notebook that you mentioned, is that available to view at all in the National Archives of Scotland or at the Moulin Kirk centre? It sounds very interesting!

Regards

Maxine.

[Isabel H]

Hi Maxine

It's on computer at the Family History room in Moulin Kirk. The notebook itself wouldn't stand too much handling.  It records deaths between 1900-1926, and marriages 1896-1927.  The information is variable and may not even be complete for those periods; there are blanks that he never got round to filling in, and occasionally different spellings of a name in a single entry, but sometimes there are little details that you might not come across elsewhere.

Isabel