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Re: family of george henry fife and sarah
« Reply #9 on: Friday 16 September 11 12:04 BST (UK) »
However, I believe the place of baptism should read "Ruapuke Island"  (which fits in with the South Island location of the other FIFE family listings.)     [Ruapuke Island - now uninhabited - approx. 15 km SE of Bluff - but once had a Maori population of around 200.  ]

Otago Witness , Issue 1260, 22 January 1876, Page 7             PRESBYTERIAN SYNOD OF OTAGO AND SOUTHLAND.
The annual session of the Presbyterian Synod of Otago and Southland was duly commenced on the 12th, in the First Church,[Dunedin] with the customary ceremonies.................

CHURCH EXTENSION [COMMITTEE] REPORT
Read by Rev. Dr. Stuart..............

Mr A. Trail, our missionary in Stewart's Island and the teacher of the half-caste and Maori children at "The Neck," is doing a good work in this lonely parish.  The Committee beg the favourable attention of the Synod to the following memorial from the School Committee and residents on "The Neck".
                               " 'The Neck,' Stewart Island, Dec. 4 1875
   "Rev. Sir— We, the undersigned members of tho School Committee, and residents at The Neck are desirous to obtain a loan of £50 for five years (without interest) from the Synod to supplement the local subscription in hand, which amounts to £50, in order that we may at once obtain the grant of £200 from the General Government for the erection of the school buildings.  The grant will not be made till we have raised the £100, and unless we can obtain this loan we ask for it will be some time before we raise that amount.  We propose to refund the loan by five annual instalments of £10.
   "We are, rev. sir, your obedient servants,
      "William Joss, John Owen, John Newton
       Henre Kingi, William Lee, Henry Fife,
       John Brown, John Wm. Pore, Moses Orehore,
      Hoani Tui(r?)ere, William Shebe,
      Rodger Owen, Robert Owen, Piripi." .....................

Old maps show a Reserve for Landless Natives at The Neck an early settlement area across Paterson Inlet from Oban, the only town on Stewart Island

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Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
Brewer Tothill;   NZ, Gloucester London
Klee;   Canterbury, London, Hanover
Cutler;   Fordingbridge Hampshire
Hill ;  Taranaki
Gordon Dunn;   Otaki Wellington
Anderson;   Canterbury Tyrone

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Re: family of george henry fife and sarah
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 22 September 11 02:46 BST (UK) »
Southland District Council Cemetery Records have Sarah FIFE
Buried in a Cemetery on Ruapuke Island   .      
                         FIFE
                         Sarah
      
Address                  Bluff
         
Date of Death       9 Mar 1911
Age                     50
Year of Birth        1861
Place                  Ruapuke
Cemetery              Ruapuke
Location of Grave   unknown
Plot                      unknown
Grave Markings

This appears to be the same Sarah in NZ BDM   
         
NZ BDM              
Reg No              1911/3136
Surname            Fyfe
Forenames         Sarah
Age                   50
[~Year of Birth    1861]

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Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
Brewer Tothill;   NZ, Gloucester London
Klee;   Canterbury, London, Hanover
Cutler;   Fordingbridge Hampshire
Hill ;  Taranaki
Gordon Dunn;   Otaki Wellington
Anderson;   Canterbury Tyrone

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Re: family of george henry fife and sarah
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 22 September 11 03:05 BST (UK) »
Ruapuke    Ruapuke    Ruapuke

I only question that it states, "Ruapuke, Auckland".  ??   :-\

There is a place "Ruapuke" (North Island) located near the coastline between Raglan and Kawhia.   However, I believe the place of baptism should read "Ruapuke Island"  (which fits in with the South Island location of the other FIFE family listings.)     [Ruapuke Island - now uninhabited - approx. 15 km SE of Bluff - but once had a Maori population of around 200.  More info can be had via "Google".]

I agree with you Lucy. The Waikato Ruapuke is unlikely.

Ruapuke near Stewart Island is almost certainly the relevant one with its relatively large population in the "early European days"

I discovered another Ruapuke Island [alternate name] of a very small island off the north of Waiheke Island.   This may explain the confusion of an "Auckland" location for Ruapuke (This Auckland location is incidentally known to Ggl).

SH
Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
Brewer Tothill;   NZ, Gloucester London
Klee;   Canterbury, London, Hanover
Cutler;   Fordingbridge Hampshire
Hill ;  Taranaki
Gordon Dunn;   Otaki Wellington
Anderson;   Canterbury Tyrone

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Re: family of george henry fife and sarah
« Reply #12 on: Friday 23 September 11 04:08 BST (UK) »
AMD

Are you there ?   Does any of this help ?   What more info are you looking for ?

SH
Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
Brewer Tothill;   NZ, Gloucester London
Klee;   Canterbury, London, Hanover
Cutler;   Fordingbridge Hampshire
Hill ;  Taranaki
Gordon Dunn;   Otaki Wellington
Anderson;   Canterbury Tyrone


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Re: family of george henry fife and sarah
« Reply #13 on: Friday 23 September 11 05:49 BST (UK) »
 ::) I hope he/she is still there to, the thread is very interesting.  ::)
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Re: family of george henry fife and sarah
« Reply #14 on: Friday 23 September 11 06:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Carl

Here is a deviation

http://www.bluff.co.nz/history2.html
The main Maori settlement in the area which became known as Southland, was Ruapuke Island, which with its seven pas was the base of the paramount chief of the South Island, Tuhawaiki, otherwise known as 'King of the Bluff' or Bloody Jack'. Smaller Maori settlements were scattered along the Southland coast, including villages at Ocean Beach, Omaui and Oue on what is now known as the New River Estuary.

SH
Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
Brewer Tothill;   NZ, Gloucester London
Klee;   Canterbury, London, Hanover
Cutler;   Fordingbridge Hampshire
Hill ;  Taranaki
Gordon Dunn;   Otaki Wellington
Anderson;   Canterbury Tyrone

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Re: family of george henry fife and sarah
« Reply #15 on: Friday 23 September 11 07:01 BST (UK) »
And another deviation

TRAILL Family Ruapuke,  The Neck Paterson Inlet, and Ringaringa

I suggest that the record of the Traill family shows the movement of settlement areas of Stewart Island.   The Traill family is well know as Stewart Island European pioneers.   The Neck is east across the mouth of Paterson Inlet from Ringaringa.  Ringaringa is a "suburb" of Oban the town settlement of Stewart Island.   Ringaringa is also the site of Wholers Grave - note Wholers in the name of Arthur Traills second son Frederick below.

Traill, Arthur William    born 24 Nov 1852    Rousay, Orkney, Scotland                              
Married  1 Jan 1878 Ruapuke Island NZ            
died 3 Dec 1936   Stewart Island New Zealand        
                              
                              
   Children                
1. Traill, Henrietta Eliza "Etta"   b. 2 May 1879   The Neck, Stewart Island, NZ   d. 16 May 1905   Invercargill NZ            
2. Traill, Frederick Henry Wöhlers   b. 10 Oct 1880   The Neck, Stewart Island, NZ   d. 30 Apr 1905               
3. Traill, Arthur William   b. 17 Jan 1884   The Neck, Stewart Island, NZ   d. 31 Jan 1976   Ringaringa Stewart Island NZ            
4. Traill, Edwin   b. 20 Oct 1885   The Neck, Stewart Island, NZ   d. 25 May 1905   Hastings?            
5. Traill, Charles   b. 17 Jul 1887   Ringaringa, Stewart Island, NZ   d. 4 Apr 1957   Hutt Valley?             
6. Traill, William   b. 30 Dec 1890    Ringaringa, Stewart Island, NZ   d. 18 Apr 1978   Auckland NZ            
7. Traill, Robert Henry "Roy"   b. 1 Dec 1892   Ringaringa, Stewart Island, NZ   d. 11 Sep 1989   Riverton NZ            
8. Traill, Gordon Stuart,     b. 16 Dec 1895      d. 6 Apr 1915   drowned at sea off Stewart Island NZ

SH            


Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
Brewer Tothill;   NZ, Gloucester London
Klee;   Canterbury, London, Hanover
Cutler;   Fordingbridge Hampshire
Hill ;  Taranaki
Gordon Dunn;   Otaki Wellington
Anderson;   Canterbury Tyrone

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Re: family of george henry fife and sarah
« Reply #16 on: Friday 23 September 11 07:34 BST (UK) »
Another possible WOHLERS link to FIFE in Stewart Island

Daughter of  Sarah   & George Henry FIFE   
Eliza [NZ  BDM   1893/16438]

Elizabeth Wohlers FIFE married John Morrison WILLIAMSON in 1913 [NZ  BDM   1913/2304]
and died in 1954
WILLIAMSON Elizabeth Wohlers Mata 59Y [1954/20535]

I think Eliza / Elizabeth are all highly likely to be the same

SH
Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
Brewer Tothill;   NZ, Gloucester London
Klee;   Canterbury, London, Hanover
Cutler;   Fordingbridge Hampshire
Hill ;  Taranaki
Gordon Dunn;   Otaki Wellington
Anderson;   Canterbury Tyrone

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Re: family of george henry fife and sarah
« Reply #17 on: Friday 23 September 11 09:03 BST (UK) »
 :)I hope AMDUMNAGE is not missing all this, it is far to interesting.
         Perhaps a chatter with more nouse than me could PM her. They after all are new and may be having trouble. I mean the information comeing in must be of extreme interest to them.  :) :)
                                                                                    Carl.
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