help with Agnes Ellen Williams (maybe not born in Scotland!)

[Gadget]

Hi humanracer 

I think you missed this - I assume the same Alexander

Hi flst 


Not sure. I had a sneak at Susannah's death cert - married to

1 Alexander Plunkett, dock labourer
2 Patrick Rooney, seaman
3 William Morris, coal miner

Parents - Edward McLuskey, Government Surveyor and Margaret M.S McLuskey
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[humanracer]

Hi humanracer 

I think you missed this - I assume the same Alexander

Hi flst 


Not sure. I had a sneak at Susannah's death cert - married to

1 Alexander Plunkett, dock labourer
2 Patrick Rooney, seaman
3 William Morris, coal miner

Parents - Edward McLuskey, Government Surveyor and Margaret M.S McLuskey
~~~~~~~~~~~

gnu

gnu

wow, where did you find the death cert? is it on SP? I assumed she had died in England.

[humanracer]

Has William's age been mistranscribed in 1891?
Well done in finding the previous censuses!
I cannot find Mary Ellen's subsequent marriages to a Mr.Cringle & Mr.Anderson.
She is still Mrs.Williams in 1901. I wonder about 1911 census?
humanracer, any further on with this ?
flst

Well she died in 1950 so I guess she had time for more marriages. I will have to do a search for them on SP but might be hard to find.

[Gadget]

wow, where did you find the death cert? is it on SP? I assumed she had died in England.

Yep 


 

Hi

Did you get this~


William and Susannah are in Dalziel, LKS in 1901.

Susanna Teresa Morris ( other names McCluskey, Plunkett and Rooney) dies Dalziel in 1907

I've got a lead on William in Mold, flintshire  but need to check his death.


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[humanracer]

so..

Is Susannah McCloskey/Plunkett/Rooney/Morris the grandmother of Agnes Helen Plunkett/Rooney/Williams/Crinkles/Anderson?

Because Susannah is the mother of James Plunkett, the wife of Agnes.

Oh dear...

[Gadget]

It seems now that William Morris wasn't Agnes's grandfather but possibly her grandmother's 3rd husband.

I'm thinking that the Mary M.S McLuskey on Mary Ellen's death cert,  and at some stage married to Alexander Plunkett, was really Susannah. It often happens that death cert info is wrong because the informant is more distant from the people mentioned.


gnu

PS - just written this when your post came up 

[JustLooking]

 

Mary Ellen Williams, widow, aged 48, married  William Cringles, coal miner in Blytheswood, 3 March 1911. Her parents are given as Alexander Plunkett, stevedore and Susannah Plunkett M.S McLuskey. Both deceased.

JL

[humanracer]

a serious question, how do you handle those sorts of "relationships" in your family tree? 

[Gadget]

a serious question, how do you handle those sorts of "relationships" in your family tree? 

Hi

Mary Ellen Williams was the mother of Agnes Williams. Her parents were Alexander Plunkett, stevedore, and Susannah McLuskey

James Plunkett married  Agnes Williams. His parents , on the marriage cert, were Alexander Plunkett, stevedore and  Susan McLuskey.

Thus James was Agnes's full uncle  - so Agnes gives her mother's MS as Rooney.  Even if Mary Ellen was a Rooney (good name  ), he would be Agnes's half/step uncle   

I don't think it was legal to marry one's niece  in 1904 - not in England anyway 


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