Whose funeral is this?

[heywood]

I looked for the history of the uniforms today and thought I had read that it was mid 20s when the Garda Siochana was formed - you would imagine that there would be a desire to move away from the old style but if they were considered safer- perhaps they kept the helmets.
Having said that - I've had another look around for any photos and can only find a very few photos but they have the flat caps.

I too love everyone's efforts at detection. I had missed so much on first looking. At the moment, I am off the snow theory but I could change my mind I suppose.

With regard to the scouts when I was looking earlier, I think there are a couple of adults in front of the boys with 'Baden Powell' type hats and then behind the scouts, there look to be some boys in a different uniform. The one on the left of these men even looks like a woman with a rounded crown on the hat.
Then the group behind the scouts, are different in that they look to have either a white shirt behind a jacket or something.

I look forward to tomorrow. 

[Pastmagic]

There were a lot of funerals pre 1922 - here is just one episode :

On the 19th of June 1921 the ASU (Active Service Unit) of the Dun Laoghaire I.R.A. conducted an assassination attempt on British Military officers staying at the Royal Marine Hotel Dun Laoghaire. The Hotel was a long time billet for officers staying in Dun Laoghaire and had been used by General Maxwell during the 1916 Rising.

On the night of the 19th the I.R.A. enter the Hotel and came face to face with their targets. A gun battle ensued in which local I.R.A. man James McIntosh was fatally wounded. McIntosh managed to escape the Hotel but only managed to make it as far as Marine Road a short distance from the Hotel. He was taken to the local St. Michael’s Hospital where he died two days later on the 22nd of June 1921.

As the funeral procession left St. Michael’s Church Dun Laoghaire British Soldiers stopped the procession and removed a Tricolour from the coffin, a young lady grabbed the flag from the soldier a minor scuffle broke out and Black and Tans accompanying the Soldiers fired over the head of the mourners causing panic as people dived for cover.

The funeral procession managed to continue to Dean’s Grange Cemetery where James McIntosh was buried in the Republican Plot.

http://irishmedals.org/gpage49.html

[majm]

This thread is so fascinating, it could well be as fascinating as the threads from last year about the Diary of Nathaniel on another RChat Board ....   Shared views, at times off on tangents, but all co-operating and working towards solving the puzzle.

Like Heywood wrote,     "I look forward to tomorrow"  well of course I do....   

Cheers,  JM

[Ruskie]

This thread is so fascinating, it could well be as fascinating as the threads from last year about the Diary of Nathaniel on another RChat Board ....   
Cheers,  JM

Never JM. Never.

As others have already been mentioned, surely there would have been a much larger police presence if any 'trouble' was expected at this funeral. So maybe the funeral of someone less 'divisive'.

[gracie23]

I found a "C. Neville Cook", Photographer and Stationer, on Marine Road in a 1916 Dublin Directory.
I was wondering... if "Kingstown" was changed to "Dun Laoghaire" in 1920, and the photographer's stamp on the picture says "Kingstown" could one assume that the picture was taken before 1920? or is that really, really, really, really stretching it?

Deb

[Pastmagic]

Another funeral:

MURDER OF A MILITARY POLICEMAN – A NATIVE OF LEIX
 

One of the tragedies of the Civil War period was recalled on Monday last when Mr. E. J. Conroy, M.R.C.V.S., Leix Co. Coroner, held an inquest at Maryborough Prison touching the death of a prisoner named James Murray, an ex-Captain of the Free State National Army.
The deceased was at the Central Criminal Court, Dublin , on 12th June, 1925, convicted of the murder at Kildare on 13th December 1923, of a military policeman named James Bergin, a native of Mountrath.  He was sentenced to death, but the sentence was commuted to penal servitude for life.
At the inquest the following jury was sworn – Francis J. Cahill, foreman; Nicholas Fortune, John Parneil, John Tyrrell, Thomas F. Maher, Jos. Fox, Patrick Murphy, Bartholomew Shanahan.
The Governor of the Prison (Mr. L. J. Blake) identified the body, and gave evidence of the convictions and sentence in the case.  The deceased, he further stated was received into his custody on the 27th July, 1925.  Since the 1st November, 1928, he had been a patient in the Prison isolation hospital.  He was attended throughout his illness by the medical officer and hospital staff, and frequently visited by the Chaplain.  He died at 6.55 p.m. on Saturday last.
Dr. T. J. Duane, Medical Officer of the Prison, said that the health of the deceased was fair on committal, but he had a history of pulmonary tuberculosis, and had been in a sanatorium.  The cause of death was pulmonary tuberculosis.
Sergeant Patrick Burke, G.S., Maryborough, deposed that he was informed by the Prison Governor of the death of James Murray.  He (witness) viewed the remains and saw no external marks of violence, and there was no suspicion of foul play.
The jury found a verdict in accordance with the medical testimony.
Relatives of the deceased were at the Prison on Monday, and in the afternoon they brought the remains by motor hearse to St. Michael’s Church, Dun Laoghaire, Co. Dublin .  The funeral took place at Dean’s Grange Cemetery on Tuesday.

http://www.kildare.ie/library/ehistory/2009/11/a_civil_war_tragedy_recalled_1.asp

Not sure it matters about Kingston on the photo - think Colur has sorted that one earlier in the thread. Just giving this as an erxample of what was going on.

If anyone is near Dun L would it be worth taking a copy to an Undertaker there? Some of them have great knowledge of their areas and have been there for a few generations. PM
 

[majm]

1, 8, 15, 22, 29  September 1929 were Sundays

20 Sept 1929 was a Friday...  The cutting is from Leinster Leader 20th September 1929

 James Murray's funeral was on Tuesday 17 September 1929. His body was at St Michael's Dun L on Monday 16 Sept.

JM

[Pastmagic]

Thanks JM! Depends on what hose trees turn out to be, and when they are bare in Sept! Here is another candidate - unless he was church of ireland not RC:

Railway engineer. Joshua Harrison Hargrave, eldest son of of Abraham Addison Hargrave of Cork and a great-grandson of ABRAHAM HARGRAVE [1]  , was, according to the 1911 census, born in Cork city in1860 or 1861. After obtaining the BA degree in 1879 and the BE degree in 1881 from the Royal University of Ireland, he was articled to Wells-Owen & Elwes of Westminster. From 1884 to 1889 he was on the engineering staff of the English Great Western Railway Co. In 1889 he returned to Ireland to take up the post of chief assistant to WILLIAM HEMINGWAY MILLS  , engineer-in-chief of the Great Northern railway. He remained with the company until his death, chiefly occupied in bridge construction and in work on the Ardee and Castlewellan extensions. He was also involved in laying out the Howth electric tramway.

Hargrave was a keen yachtsman and was honorary secretary of the Dublin Bay Sailing Club and the Dun Laoghaire branch of the Lifeboat Institution. He died at home in Dun Laoghaire on 25 January 1924 after being in poor health for over a year, . His wife, Louise, daughter of Dr Foster Newland, of Mount Haigh, Dun Laoghaire, whom he had married on 12 June 1897, and two children, Joshua and Ethel, survived him.(1)

ICEI: elected member 13 April 1898,(2) having been proposed by William Hemingway Mills; council member, 1904-1920, 1922-23; hon. treasurer, 1913-1921, 1922-23; vice-president, 1920-1921; president, 1921-1922.(3)

Addresses: 96 George's Street Upper, Dun Laoghaire, 1898; 4 Haddington Terrace, Dun Laoghaire, <=1907 until death.

Going with pre 1922 - when the police hats still had spikes, there are a lot of candidates from WWI:

http://irishmedals.org/gpage37.html

Commonwealth War Graves are in Dean’s Grange Cemetery Dublin, Ireland. There are 75 Commonwealth burials of the 1914-1918 war and 27 of the 1939-1945 war making a total on 102. A small number of the 1914-1918 war casualties, whose graves cannot be located, are commemorated by Special Memorial headstones.
Kingston mentioned in lots of them.

PM

[Treetotal]

What a fascinating thread...I'm not convinced that there is snow though
I'm watching with interest
I wonder if this will throw up any clues as to a date:


http://catalogue.nli.ie/Search/Results?lookfor=%22+Funeral+processions%22&type=Subject&view=list

Carol