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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #63 on: Sunday 11 September 11 10:11 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the photos!

I enlarged as far as possible those vehiceles at the end of the procession - sorry for the poor quality.

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« Reply #64 on: Sunday 11 September 11 10:13 BST (UK) »
I've been following this with great interest.

It seems to a large extent to have turned from whose funeral is it to where is it taking place?

I think the OP has again made it quite clear in reply #61:

Much changed but those of us who were living out there before the changes will know the original photo as being that of St Michaels and the Marine Road
 
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« Reply #65 on: Sunday 11 September 11 12:14 BST (UK) »
Thank you for those current photos. 

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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #66 on: Sunday 11 September 11 12:49 BST (UK) »
I do not pretend to know anything about the area - but wonder if this report has any relevance at all - it may be totally unconnected of course!

John Jenkins
On the 4th of May 1921 a Volunteer with the Dun Laoghaire I.R.A. stationed at the naval base in Dun Laoghaire died as a result of an accident. Volunteer John Jenkins was cleaning his rifle when he accidentally discharged it resulting in a fatal bullet wound to the head. John Jenkins had served ten years in the British Army before returning to Ireland and joining the I.R.A.
John Jenkins lived at Saint Mary’s Cottages Monkstown and left a wife and six children. He was given a funeral with full military honours and many National newspapers reported on the large procession that followed the coffin as it was taken to Dean’s Grange Cemetery. The Procession included comrades from the Naval Base at Dun Laoghaire as well as other I.R.A. units as well as Fianna Scouts, ex-service men and a fife and drum band. John Jenkins was laid to rest in the Republican Plot.








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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #67 on: Sunday 11 September 11 13:12 BST (UK) »
Coming at it from a different angle, they are probably long lost, so this is a very long shot: 

is there any possibility of viewing the photographer's records ?? 


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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #68 on: Sunday 11 September 11 13:15 BST (UK) »
No JM, thank you. Everyone has been very helpful and constructive with their suggestions. Pastmagic has  come up with an improved image of the third last vehicle, JenB has joined us and shanghipanda has given me yet another lead.
It just gets better and better.

 
I have now read up on major events in the history of Kingstown which might attract a large funeral, both in attendances and the number of burials.

The first being the RNLI Lifeboat tragedy when 15 crew members were drowned off Kingstown on 24th December 1895 and 13 of them were buried in a single day in Deans Grange Cemetery. PruM has already ruled this out from the photo supplied.

The second, again a sea disaster occurred on 18 October 1918 when the Leinster was sunk by a German U-boat and 501 people were lost. Nine of the victims were buried in Deans Grange.

I thought I might have solved it when I found photos (dress code pretty similar, mans opinion?) of the departure of the Papal Nuncio from Dun Laoghaire after the Eucharistic Congress but this event was held in June of 1932.

The next big one to possible attract a large gathering was the burial of Count John McCormick but his funeral took place on the 16th September 1945 and the bare trees in the first photo compared to today’s photos ruled that one out.

The search continues………

Bob just caught your post and that would be brilliant if I can find something out, thanks.
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« Reply #69 on: Sunday 11 September 11 13:29 BST (UK) »
 I don't think those cars are parked, they are following.
I don't think there is any snow, I know the line between the footpath and the road makes it look like snow on the ground but why is there no sign of snow on the top of the wall, railings etc. one or two of the trees looks like they might have a little snow on them but that could be the light.

BTW the day Archbishop Walsh was buried was a very cold day, William Scott Architect  died, on 23 April 1921 from pneumonia brought on by a severe chill caught when he walked in his university robes in Archbishop Walsh's funeral procession

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« Reply #70 on: Sunday 11 September 11 13:45 BST (UK) »
I agree, I don't think there's any snow. What look like footprints between the right-hand side of the marching column and the crowd are the marks of the cobbles. There is a large crowd showing on the left of the photo, and not a 'footprint' to be seen in front of them.

But it's clearly a winter scene. No leaves at all on the trees, and everyone very well wrapped up. I would say late October/ early November - March.
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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #71 on: Sunday 11 September 11 14:33 BST (UK) »
It doesn't look like a funeral of a clergyman. Archbishop Walsh was brought from the Pro-Cathedral to Glasnevin - a long way from Dun Laoghaire.

I think the possibility that shanghaipanda suggested is a very strong one:
John Jenkins
On the 4th of May 1921 a Volunteer with the Dun Laoghaire I.R.A. stationed at the naval base in Dun Laoghaire died as a result of an accident. Volunteer John Jenkins was cleaning his rifle when he accidentally discharged it resulting in a fatal bullet wound to the head. John Jenkins had served ten years in the British Army before returning to Ireland and joining the I.R.A.

John Jenkins lived at Saint Mary’s Cottages Monkstown and left a wife and six children. He was given a funeral with full military honours and many National newspapers reported on the large procession that followed the coffin as it was taken to Dean’s Grange Cemetery. The Procession included comrades from the Naval Base at Dun Laoghaire as well as other I.R.A. units as well as Fianna Scouts, ex-service men and a fife and drum band. John Jenkins was laid to rest in the Republican Plot.


The gentleman in the London bobby style helmet looks like a pre-Garda Síochána officer, which would put it pre 1925 I believe.

It would make sense for the funeral to be taking that route if they intended to walk (as is common in Irish funerals) past his home in Monkstown on the way to the cemetery at Deansgrange.
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