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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 10 September 11 11:49 BST (UK) »
Again though, if this was a funeral of anyone to do with civil unrest, you would expect a considerable police presence.

Were cloche hats around in 1922? I think they were later?
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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 10 September 11 11:54 BST (UK) »
Marine Road is on a slight incline but is straight; no curves as shown in the picture.

To the OP - how do you know this is Marine Road?
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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 10 September 11 11:55 BST (UK) »
Marine Road, Dun Laoghaire Ireland IS available from goggle maps street view !

Was it snowing in Dublin in August/Sept 1922 ....

I don't see the snow in the original image, but there is no foliage on the trees, so it cannot be August / September. You are quite right. So it rules out Collin's funeral.   :'(

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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 10 September 11 11:59 BST (UK) »
Don't know if any of this helps or is even relevant. The church featured in the photo  might well be St Michael's Church which is located on Marine Road. It apparently started as a small chapel but eventually developed into a very grand building. In 1965 the church was destroyed by fire. Only the great tower and spire survived. I also came across this information while browsing the internet in connectiion with this thread.
 
"On the 19th of June 1921 the ASU (Active Service Unit) of the Dun Laoghaire I.R.A. conducted an assassination attempt on British Military officers staying at the Royal Marine Hotel Dun Laoghaire. The Hotel was a long time billet for officers staying in Dun Laoghaire and had been used by General Maxwell during the 1916 Rising.

On the night of the 19th the I.R.A. enter the Hotel and came face to face with their targets. A gun battle ensued in which local I.R.A. man James McIntosh was fatally wounded. McIntosh managed to escape the Hotel but only managed to make it as far as Marine Road a short distance from the Hotel. He was taken to the local St. Michael’s Hospital where he died two days later on the 22nd of June 1921.

As the funeral procession left St. Michael’s Church Dun Laoghaire British Soldiers stopped the procession and removed a Tricolour from the coffin, a young lady grabbed the flag from the soldier a minor scuffle broke out and Black and Tans accompanying the Soldiers fired over the head of the mourners causing panic as people dived for cover.

The funeral procession managed to continue to Dean’s Grange Cemetery where James McIntosh was buried in the Republican Plot.

James McIntosh served with the Royal Dublin Fusiliers during World War 1, he was born in County Laois in 1885.He joined the Dublin Fusiliers on the 1st of October 1914.He was wounded during the battle of the Somme and was sent home on the 6th of July 1916. He was returned to France in December 1916 and was again seriously wounded during the battle of Passchendaele on the 11th of August 1917 and spent 131 days recovering in hospital in London. He was discharged medically unfit from the Army on the 23rd of February 1920".


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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 10 September 11 12:05 BST (UK) »
So, soldiers, police, scuffles ---

none of that matches with this picture.

I think that if this is a funeral (are we sure it is?), it was of a well known local dignitary, not of anyone involved in civil unrest (I'm beginning to feel a bit like a stuck record on that score!)
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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 10 September 11 12:08 BST (UK) »
Well  I for one think it is a funeral ....

a) wreaths leaning on the side wall of the church
b) one of the employees of the funeral director waving a funeral type long black ostrich feathers standard behind the last of the marching mourners, ahead of the cars
c) the dress of the those in the parade at the left of the photo

ALTHOUGH I do notice that none are wearing the black armband ....
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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 10 September 11 12:19 BST (UK) »
It seems there was only one tramline route in Dun L at the appropriate time, running from Sandycove, along Glasthule Rd, along what is now George St and so to Dunleary Rd. (It also looks to me as though the road layout in the area has changed a little in the intervening years!) The tram didn't run up Marine Rd.

I assume that this is probably the start of the procession as it leavs the church to go to the cemetery? Maybe the hearse is at the front, left out of the picture, and the cars at the back are to take the female mourners?
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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 10 September 11 12:49 BST (UK) »
Are you sure that this photo is taken at Dun L .... 
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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 10 September 11 12:49 BST (UK) »
Justice Minister Kevin O'Higgins was assassinated in Dublin in 1927 which would put it nearer yearwise for the fashions. I would have expected a greater police presence though if this was his funeral. Also the fact that the assassination took place in July and the mourners are all well wrapped up would seem to rule that out.

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