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Offline JMVH

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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 10 September 11 01:30 BST (UK) »
 I took the liberty of using Lynntony's edited version of the photo (which was a great help!) I have some things which might be clues for further research. I often study old pictures and the smallest details can lead to discoveries.
I marked on the pictures.

All the men at the head of the procession are well dressed and apart from one man (the one without the hat and his collar turned up) they all seem to be middle-aged men, the middle class type. The three men up front (yellow mark) as well as the two walking in front of them are wearing top hats, they are of distinctly higher stature, could be leading persons in society. if I look at the style of their ties I'd say 1920's into the 1930's (older men didn't follow fashion as quick as the rest)

Behind the men follows a group which seems to be of smaller posture. I marked some legs red because at first I thought they might be boots. Looking more closely, however, I think they are either caps or black stockings like boys would wear in that era; which could explain the smaller posture.

I am not all that certain that the cars in the background (green mark) are part of the procession. If they are - I count at least 8 of them. And cars in a procession always have a major meaning. They don't appear to be hearses, however. Before WWII these were more often horse drawn carriages.
It's strange however that the concentration of the public standing along the route also stops around there. Is this the beginning of the procession route or, perhaps, the last bit? Could the cars (lot of cars for that era) perhaps be parked there and is this the spot where the procession by foot continued?

Such a pity we can't see what it is what these men are following, something goes there. If this is indeed a funeral then it would be the coffin(s?) they follow as the living always follows the dead in a funerary procession (ceremonial military being the exception)
Thus far it's all 'if's', but if this is a funeral procession and if these cars are a part of it, then seated in them are most likely women. Who often didn't walk - it's not something written in stone. As one of my own great-grandmothers reports in her diary that she walked a mile at the funeral of her mother in law and nearly tripped over her veil.

Based on the various views I got on hair, the cloche hats and other apparel I would again date this between the 1920's and early 1930's.

This is a very interesting puzzle. I'm very curious what it is now.
Please do let us know if you happen to find out outside the forum.
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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 10 September 11 01:45 BST (UK) »
Just wondering if this could be the culmination of the procession. The building in the background appears to be a church. The procession itself seems a sombre affair, as one would associate with a funeral procession. As JMVH has said, the men at the front appear to be of quite high status, so could this be the funeral of a local dignitary? The high turnout, and the watching crowd, does seem to indicate that it was, if indeed it was a funeral, someone of great importance.

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ADDED - I also notice that one of the men standing by the railings (bald head, left of pic by the tree) in front of the church  has his hat removed and is holding it in front of his chest, the way one often sees/used to see when a funeral passes.
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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 10 September 11 02:10 BST (UK) »
Don't suppose it could be a memorial march??  - (e.g. like our ANZAC Day marches could it - I don't know if you have Remembrance day marches - but in ours the following cars are bringing the disabled or very old soldiers.)

 Lack of soldiers in uniform seems to rule this out - but maybe some other memorial procession??

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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 10 September 11 02:23 BST (UK) »
It's difficult to see, but I think I can pick out a few possible police/authorities along both sides at the front of the crowd, possibly holding the crowd back.

There is a man in a great coat towards the middle of the line facing the camera, and I can see five capped/helmeted heads slightly taller than the crowd (towards the procession to the left and centre of the photo) as if 'holding back' the crowd, and one towards the end of the procession pacing just inside the line of people.

It's a fairly controlled and sombre crowd as you would expect at a funeral. Would this postcard be mass produced for purchase on the day at this memorable event?


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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 10 September 11 04:29 BST (UK) »
I can see the "wheel rut" in the snow near the young lads in their "scout" uniforms .... as in they are following ONE vehicle ....  and there's no leaves on the trees ....   The cars could well be stationary and not part of the procession, but on the other hand, they could (as mentioned earlier) be standing by to bring up the rear with the mourning women. 

So while I cannot give a year,  I can at least suggest a season .... Winter ....

Also, agree with Ruskie re there's uniformed men stationed at various places along the way .... I see several different service uniforms ... could be policemen and other civil organisations eg railways, firemen etc ...
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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 10 September 11 04:35 BST (UK) »
JM - I think that is one rail of a tram line - look towards the front of the procession and you'll see the rail deviating to go around the corner from one which is proceeding straight ahead!

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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 10 September 11 04:50 BST (UK) »
I think that's the footpath curb as it swings away to their right  Wiggy .... Also I see either slippage off the tram rail or an additional wheel mark near those "scout" lads ...

Can we date it looking at the hemline of the coat of the lady (its only to just below her knee) at the far left of the photo?

Can we identify the uniform worn by this gent (snip attached)  ... I am thinking chauffeur (but I can be mistooken)

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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 10 September 11 05:03 BST (UK) »
Ditto on the cloche hats...they weren't invented until the mid 1920s so no earlier than that.

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Re: Whose funeral is this?
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 10 September 11 05:29 BST (UK) »
There appears to be a banner being carried just in front of the first car plus some men look like they have white sahes on. At first I thought that two of them were the noses of horses but there a line of men wearing what could be a white stripe which is why I think they are a sash.

With the shape of the banner could it be a Lodge banner?

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