Edward Theodore Chalmers Werner (1864–1954)

[SPC]

I have been reading about Edward Theodore Chalmers Werner who is said to have been born in Port Chalmers in 1864.  I could not find his birth in BDM NZ.  Can anyone assist please?

[Lucy2]

Hi Simon

Can't see it on the BDm online index either (using variants of WERNER).    Certainly a surname ripe for mistrancription. 

Are you able to check the NZ Births microfiche ?

~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Aah  .. wonder if this is Edward ?

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

"Otago Daily Times"  - 15 November 1864 - page 4 - Births

.... 12 November, at Port Chalmers, wife of J. WERNER, a son

[Father may have been a "Julius WERNER"  ?    Will check further for you. ]

~   Lu

[Pastmagic]

Is this the chap?

http://www.archive.org/stream/chinachinese00werngoog#page/n8/mode/2up

Wiki says:

E.T.C. Werner (Diplomat and Sinologist)
Edward Theodore Chalmers Werner (1864–1954) was a noted British diplomat in Qing Dynasty China and Sinologist specialising in superstition, myths and magic in China. Werner arrived in Peking in the 1880s attached to the British Legation as a student interpreter and remained in China until 1914. E.T.C. Werner was born at Port Chalmers, Dunedin, New Zealand. His father was Prussian and his mother English. He was educated at Tonbridge School. His father died in 1878 meaning E.T.C. had to find a career. He passed the entrance exams to the Far Eastern Cadetship.

His obit gives his father as Joseph Werner.

http://callisto10.ggimg.com/doc/LT/WrapPDF=contentSet=LT=recordID=0FFO-1954-FEB16-008-F.pdf

[SPC]

Thank you both very much.  I am embarrassed I didn't check papers past.  I will check the fiche this weekend.  Pastmagic, that is the same Edward - the death of his adoptive daughter is the subject of a recently released book.

[Pastmagic]

Sorry,
We crossed over there - I just added his Obit and that his fathers name was Joseph!

[johnbarr]

He is not listed on Birth microfiche in 1864.

John B

[Lucy2]

...    don't know why I said (father) "Julius" earlier.

The Otago Nominal Roll has this solitary entry  >

1865-66

WERNER - Josef

Kaikorai Valley, Roslyn Electorate
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Must follow up on E.T.C.   --  sounds fascinating. 

[SPC]

Findmypast has an entry for an 1864 birth at sea of a son to Joseph Werner, so this may account for the missing BDM record.  Joseph was a schoolteacher and his wife was Harriet Taylor.