Birth Entry twice?

[calvert]

sorry all, I have confused myself,
ok
lets imagine
Susan Smith married Jack Jones and have 3 children all indexed as Children Jones (mum Smith), they have lived their lives as Jones.

the fourth child in indexed as say: Lisa Jones (mum Smith), but also indexed as Lisa Black (mum Smith).

Lisa Jones and Lisa Black are both indexed with mum smith, same district, volume and page no

regards
mark

[CambsBurgess]

That would normally happen if the mother's surname and the father's surname were different - in your example it would probably mean that Lisa was the child of Susan Jones nee Smith and a Mr Black.

[calvert]

thanks for this help, so you mean child born maybe by an affair to another chap
mark

[Jebber]

The child takes the mother's surname, if an illegitimate child is born to a woman who is  or has been married, then the child's is birth is recorded under the mother's married married name and shows the her maiden name as normal. If the father attends the registration the child can also be recorded under his name,   the mother's maiden name is again shown as normal, thus it will show up under both surnames in the index.

A man other then the husband can only be named on the birth certificate if he is presant at registration, so the situation you describe in your original post means that she must have known who the father was.

Jebber

[toni*]

Jebber i previously said on another thread you can call the child what you like it does not have to have either the mothers or the fathers surname although the mothers name will be denoted in the index on the birth certificates there is a space for name and surname of child

so if i wanted to i could call my child Santa (first name)  Claus (surname) i am not Toni* Claus! 

[california dreamin]

Hi all
Very interesting thread - sorry Toni but I couldn't quite believe your last reply so I was staggered when I found this (obviously relates to what is happening now in 2011)

From the Citizen’s Advice Bureau Website

Naming the child on a birth certificate
The mother of the child can give the child any first and surname she chooses. She may give the child the father’s surname if she wants and she does not need the father’s consent to do this. In Northern Ireland details about a father who is not married to the mother may only be entered in certain circumstances.
A man registered on the birth certificate as the father of the child has no right to insist that the child is given a particular name, for example, his surname.
A married couple can also choose any surname for their child. It does not have to be the name of either of the parents.

Tho’ why any parent would want to give a child a totally unrelated name??

[toni*]

its been happening for a while at least 1996

a mother can give the child the fathers surname he doesn't have to be there [at registration] BUT he does have to be there if the parents are unmarried and she / he wants him named on the certificate.

lots of people are called silly names these days

the registrar can decline to name a baby something if he thinks it will cause the baby distress 

[calvert]

thanks for all your wonderful replies, glad you thought it an interesting thread,
so im wondering if there will be two certificates to be purchased one for the indexed birth of Lisa Jones and Lisa Black, (my made up names).
Mum Smith was still married Mr Jones when the child was born,  and I know that Mr Black existed cause mum Smith married him many years later.

Q. will there be two birth certs to buy?

[stanmapstone]

I think if you see what I posted that there will be only one certificate. The birth is indexed twice not registered twice

Stan