Birth Entry twice?

[Colin Cruddace]

In 1939 there was no surname included in the child's name, only the forenames were recorded. If the mother was Mrs Jones nee Smith, and Mr Black was present at the registration and wanted to be listed as the father, then two possible surnames could apply to the child. Hence two Index entries for the same certificate, as Stan has pointed out.

Colin

[CambsBurgess]

You can also check by seeing what the page number is for the different entries you've found - same page number, the chances are pretty high that it's the same person, indexed twice.

[california dreamin]

Hi Colin

I have to ask - if you are saying that everyone born in 1939 did not have a surname included on their birth certificates how are they indexed?!

[stanmapstone]

There is no surname entered in column 2 "Name, if any" only forenames for the child. The Surname of the father is entered in column 4, and the "Name, surname and maiden surname of mather" is entered in column 5. This is standard for all years not just 1939.

Stan

[california dreamin]

Hi

Thx Stan for clarifying that - however I now have two further questions!

 1. Hypothetically, if I wanted to call my child by another surname other than my maiden name or that of the child's father (let's take Toni's example of "Claus") - how would this be noted on the birth certificate?

2. For indexing purposes if no preferred surname is stated on a bc how are current entries indexed? Father's name/ mother's maiden name/ a.n.other/both?

[stanmapstone]

Naming the child on a birth certificate

The mother of the child can give the child any first and surname she chooses. She may give the child the father’s surname if she wants and she does not need the father’s consent to do this. In Northern Ireland details about a father who is not married to the mother may only be entered in certain circumstances.

A man registered on the birth certificate as the father of the child has no right to insist that the child is given a particular name, for example, his surname.

A married couple can also choose any surname for their child. It does not have to be the name of either of the parents.  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0eyb/


You can see the present registering arrangements at http://www.rootschat.com/links/0eya/
Stan

[toni*]

this is the up to date version where it has name and surname of child

[california dreamin]

Mmmmm ...yes thanks Stan - I do understand about registration of a birth.  My question is regards finding a person on an Index register i.e on FreeBMD, Ancestry, FindMyPast etc. How are these people being indexed.

As a volunteer I am constantly helping people in order to obtain bc/mc and dc for their family research.  I was hoping that further information on the indexing of names may be helpful.  

Thanks

ps Stan see my post #14!

[toni*]

California Dreamin - i know that after 2005 the indexes are not online i read this last link it says where we can find them but not how they are arranged  (although it does say how civil partnerships are arranged in the index)
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Registeringlifeevents/Familyhistoryandresearch/DG_175464