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Birth Entry twice?
« on: Thursday 08 September 11 09:57 BST (UK) »
hello, general advice please.  I have a relative born 1939 that the birth is registered twice, with mums maiden name the same on both. One is registered under her husbands surname and the second under another chaps surname.  What would this mean?  Mum didnt know who the father was, her husband had left her, child was illegitimate???  Just wondered if these are possible reasons?
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Re: Birth Entry twice?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 08 September 11 10:00 BST (UK) »
Do "both fathers" have the same first name, if so it sounds like the father had an alias and the registration was in both his actual name and his alias
James Stott c1775-1850. James was born in Yorkshire but where? He was a stonemason and married Elizabeth Archer (nee Nicholson) in 1794 at Ripon. They lived thereafter in Masham. If anyone has any suggestions or leads as to his birthplace I would be interested to know. I have searched for it for years without success. Thank you.

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Re: Birth Entry twice?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 08 September 11 10:02 BST (UK) »
It usually means that the mother probably married the man named as the father after the birth, and the birth was 'legitimised' with the issueing of another birth certificate.   The child was probably born whilst the woman was still married to the first husband, but may not necessarily have been living with him.
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Re: Birth Entry twice?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 08 September 11 10:06 BST (UK) »
thanks for replies, mum had previuosly married Mr AA,  on birth entry 1 Mr AA is the surname of the child with mums maiden name as it should be.   The same quarter, same place same reference and page etc.. the child is registered again with mum maiden name the same but child surname as BB
I obviously use AA BB as persons are still alive.  I hope I have made this clear.


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Re: Birth Entry twice?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 08 September 11 10:07 BST (UK) »
sorry meant to add mum did marry chap BB but not until some twenty years later, 

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 08 September 11 10:24 BST (UK) »
  I hope I have made this clear.

Nope more confused now  ???

Can you do it with some imaginery names

eg was the father on the entries John Walker and John Brown, or was it


Thomas Walker and John Brown ie did they have different first names
James Stott c1775-1850. James was born in Yorkshire but where? He was a stonemason and married Elizabeth Archer (nee Nicholson) in 1794 at Ripon. They lived thereafter in Masham. If anyone has any suggestions or leads as to his birthplace I would be interested to know. I have searched for it for years without success. Thank you.

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 08 September 11 10:25 BST (UK) »
The birth is indexed twice if it is the same quarter, same place same reference and page etc. not registered twice. On the certificate the name and surname of the father, in column 4, will be BB and the name surname of the mother in column 5 will be AA together with her maiden name,so the indexer has indexed the birth under both names. You could confirm this by getting the certificate.

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 September 11 10:56 BST (UK) »
Just to add if the surnames of the father and mother were different then they have  indexed them both as it would not be clear what surname the child would use.

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08 September 11 11:05 BST (UK) »
Just to add if the surnames of the father and mother were different then they have  indexed them both as it would not be clear what surname the child would use.

Stan
yes that is true i am indexed twice !
under my mmn. anmd my fathers surname although on the birth certificate is says name and surname of child here i am given my fathers surname it then says fathers details and then mothers details here is says my mothers mmn. otherwise known as ............. as my father and my mother are not married.  (they still are very much together)  

although i do understand that if my parents were to marry this would make me legitimate and ym birth could be reregistered i know this has happened in the case of a boy i know born in 1996 he was registered in his mmn. when she married his father in 1998 he was reregistered at the time of marriage under his fathers surname.
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