Marriage of Clifford & Florence

[craggus]

Hi Trish,

Thanks for that! I am pretty certain that this is a match - his birth place has been transcribed as THANGOBBEN instead of Llangollen. The date/month of birth are exact (10th march) it's just the year of birth which is 6 years too early (listed as 1898 rather than 1904). Coincidentally Clifford's given age on the death certificate I downloaded yesterday is ALSO incorrect by six years. I am certain that he was born in 1904 as I have a copy of his birth certificate, so it looks as though he either got confused or lied about his age at some point in Australia.

This is really good, all the pieces of the jigsaw are starting to come together now! 

Craig

[trish251]

Hi Craig

it seems you have had some amazing finds - especially with the name of Jones! The record on the national archives has not been "examined" (go to the search screen & search for Jones Clifford Florence.) You will need to request that the record be "examined" - you can do this by email - usually takes about 30 days - but apparently they are busy at the moment so may take longer. Once the record is listed as open, you can simply ask online for it to be digitised. This takes another month but you get the complete record which often provides lots of additional information. The NAA army record also has the date of birth as 1898. I thought this may have been to get him into WWI, but there is no oz record for this - could he have served in the British Army in WWI?

Trish

[craggus]

Yes Trish, I feel I have been very lucky with the information I have been able to find so far. I have just filled in the "Request form for records of Army/RAAF defence service" enquiry form on the National Archives site, so I will now see what they come back to me with... I'm not sure if this is the same as asking or records to be 'examined' or not, I will have to read the FAQ section.

When purchasing the marriage and death certificate for Clifford off the VIC site, I seem to remember that it was possible to perform searches on the indexes for a nominal fee... I may well explore this avenue to try and find out the married names of some of Clifford and Florences daughters. I actually have the names of a handful of Clifford and Florence's grandchildren - I do not know their surnames as their mothers married and are obviously no longer called JONES. However, if I can find out their married names I wonder if I will actually be able to locate any of these children, even obtain an address where I might be able to write to them? I'm getting carried away now, lol! One step at a time...   

Craig

[gennig]

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I may well explore this avenue to try and find out the married names of some of Clifford and Florences daughters. I actually have the names of a handful of Clifford and Florence's grandchildren - I do not know their surnames as their mothers married and are obviously no longer called JONES. However, if I can find out their married names I wonder if I will actually be able to locate any of these children, even obtain an address where I might be able to write to them? I'm getting carried away now, lol! One step at a time...   

Craig

You won't be able to do this.  Marriage records are only online upto 1942.  The privacy act in australia prohibits people from accessing records not belonging to themselves.

Wait until I have checked the Newspapers tomorrow.  There will also be inquest records for the deaths of the sons. 
I will also check electoral roll records when I get a chance.

Cheers
Genni

[craggus]

You won't be able to do this.  Marriage records are only online upto 1942.  The privacy act in australia prohibits people from accessing records not belonging to themselves.

I was getting confused after JAP had posted a potential married name for Dorothy May... but of course, this information came from the DEATH indexes, not the marriage indexes.

See? Told you I was getting carried away!

Look forward to hearing anything you might be able to find Genni. Can I once again thank you all for your help so far.   

Craig

[gennig]

Hi Craig

The Melbourne newspaper wasn't much help, only gave first names and no surnames.

Can tell you this though Florence was 88 years old when she died at Shepparton Hospital. Service held at St Andrew's Church

The family were listed as follows:-
Dorothy (deceased)
Betty
Bryan and Pam
Florence
William (Buck, Deceased)
Kathleen & Peter
Clifford (deceased)
Desmond & Yvonne
Gail & John
Gay
Dennis & Shirley (deceased)

The following is the website for the Jamieson and District Historical Society,
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~jdhs/
Sending and email to them may prove helpful.

The local newspapers of the area may have reports on the family.
Both Clifford & William were buried at Alexandra, after a service at St Andrew's Church.
Clifford's inquest took place on 4th July 1974, he drowned at Lake Eildon on Australia Day 1974 (inquest no. 1974/1293)
William's inquest took place on 27th Sept 1963, his car hit a tree. (inquest no 1963/1633)

I can get copies of these if you want.

Cheers
Genni

[craggus]

Hi Genni

Thanks very much for taking the trouble to look that up for me. I now have partners names to add to some of the children of Clifford and Florence, which I did not know before. 

I would be really interested to see copies of the inquests if you are able to get hold of them? I assume this would involve some expense on your behalf, and obviously I would sort that out with you. I wonder if Clifford drowned while celebrating? 

I am continually being amazed by the information you are all able to provide me with, especially as this was an avenue of my tree which I thought would remain a dead end - let's face it, a JONES moving to an unknown part of Australia is not the most specific of starting points, is it?! Many thanks (once again) to everyone who has helped me so far.

Craig 

[craggus]

Hi,

Just a quick note to thank those people who have helped me with my Australian research so far. What started out as a hopeful posting about my dads uncle who moved to Australia has snowballed into a mass of information. With the help from people on this board I now have his marriage and death certificate, army information, details of his children and grandchildren... even copies of police reports and witness statements about the deaths of a couple of his children who died 'unusually'.

Many thanks to you, your efforts are really appreciated.

Craig